Used Dowel Boring Machine for sale (65,522)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, drilling depth: 28 mm, Used Koch Drilling and Dowel Insertion Machine, Sprint-PTP-3 Technical data of the machine: Workpiece dimensions: Length Y: 110-800mm Width X: 20-1200mm Thickness Z: 14-60mm Material: Chipboard/MDF/Softwood Machine with 2 working areas. 2 workpieces with a maximum width of 600mm each can be loaded independently of each other. Working height 900mm - with horizontal drilling station - with glue application and dowel insertion station - with 1 oscillating conveyor - Drilling distance vertically Z above the support table: 35 mm - 1 stop rail on the left and right - Mechanical digital displays for height adjustment - Work cycle triggered by a manual button Koch Numeric with 1 NC axis (X) Positioning control with PC (Windows XP Professional PC) Including widened machine frame for a maximum workpiece width of 1200mm 2 additional workpiece clamping cylinders Center stop for 4 working areas (removable for wide workpieces) Horizontal drilling station with 1 drilling spindle: Max. drilling depth 28mm Drill chuck Ø10mm Total drill length 70mm Drill speed 7200 rpm With dowel hole blow-out Glue application and dowel insertion station Dowel diameter: 8mm Dowel length 30mm Dowel projection 7-14 mm Set to 11mm Tolerance for wood dowels: --- Dowel length +/- 1 mm --- Dowel diameter +0.1/-0.2 mm With electronic glue monitoring (ELC) A monitoring device is installed before the glue valve, which measures the glue flow during each work cycle. If no glue is injected at a valve, the machine interrupts its work cycle and displays the corresponding glue valve in the control cabinet. Electrical values: Connection value: 400V, 50 Hz, 3 phases Voltage fluctuations max +6% to 10% Air connection 1 x R 1/2" internal thread Prodpfx Acozbunkjpea 7 bar Extraction air velocity: approx. 30m/sec

Condition: not inspected (used), Year of construction: 2013, Bore diameter , mm Number of heads horizontal , St. Psdpfx Acev N N Spepera Number of heads vertical , St. 2 pcs. Götzinger drilling and milling centers ----- For sale on behalf of a customer! 2 identical machines: One machine for "left" parts and one for "right" parts. The machines can also be used individually. The machines were controlled via window manufacturing software, but can also be operated via the machine software. Both machines are equipped identically: - Left and right drilling units for front-end drilling. - 3 units for drilling and milling for longitudinal machining. - Parts are loaded once, and the unit carrier then moves for the various machining operations. Installation length per machine approx. 6 m. Individual sale possible: Price per machine 10,000 Euro See the enclosed PDFs for more information.

Condition: new, Bore diameter variabel mm Number of heads horizontal 3 St. Number of heads vertical 4 St. weight 1500 kg Dimensions (L/W/H) 4800x1600x2400 mm Width mit Auflage 2300 mm Götzinger Power Drill Type BF 297 With the Götzinger PowerDrill you can, depending on the type and design: Griffoliven drill on the loose frame part or for finished wings, with multi-spindle drilling head, quick-change, also for milling of the lock case for WK 2 or intermediate gear Ecklager drill on loose frame part, with Mehrspindelbohrkopf, quick-change, corner-oriented over stop or custom made (tilt window) Drill vertically from above for fitting, pre-drill for clip on loose frame part Milling vertically from above for pushers, profile cylinders, 3-D hinges Horizontal drilling with 2 drilling units, different drilling diameters, Dowel drill front and long side, plywood / fighter, sprouts, Corner connection, front door etc. Milling horizontally for lock case / fitting etc. machine description Base frame in stable welded construction, linear guide for the X-axis Table top 3,000 x 200 mm 6 clamping cylinder pneumatic with auto. Ausweichhub 2 side stops for machining on the front side, manually swiveling in and out 2 longitudinal stops can be manually swiveled in and out Travel: X-axis - 3,000 mm working length Y-axis - 120 mm Z-axis - 105 mm Aggregate: 1 drilling unit (unit 1) vertically from above, drill motor 1,1 KW Speed ??1,500 - 12,000 rpm, 1 spindle, collet holder ER 20 1 Bohraggreagt (unit 2) vertically from above, drill motor 1,1 KW Speed ??3,000 rpm, with drill head quick change device 1 boring head BKF 3, olives, quick-change 1 boring head BKF 3/2 corner bearing, quick-change 1 milling unit (Agg.3) vertically from above, milling motor 2 KW, 1,500 - 16,000 rpm, collet holder ER 25 2 horizontal drilling units (Agg.4 and 5) 1.0 KW, 1.500 - 12.000 U / min, Collet holder ER 20 1 milling unit horizontal (Agg.3) 2.0 KW, 1.500 - 16.000U / min, Collet holder ER 20 Electro-pneumatic control with 3-axis control X, Y, Z NC positioning controller make B + R input via TFT display 10 " Podped Ih Hqefx Acpsra Machine complete with 1 set of drilling tools dm 6, 8, 10 and 12, 2 roughing carbide cutters HM dm 16, CE compliant, ready for connection Suction connection: 1 x dm 120 Power connection: 1 x 400 V, 16 amps Air connection: 1 x LW 9 mm OPTION: Longitudinal stops right / left with NC axis high / low programmatically, thus dimension input by folding / light measure possible, Dimension: LxWxH = 4.80 x 1.60 x 2.40 m - weight machine 1,500 kg (technical data according to manufacturer - without guarantee!)

Condition: like new (used), functionality: fully functional, Dowel Hole Drilling and Inserting Machine SCHEER BS 5102-V The BS 5102-V is a powerful, electronically controlled machine designed for precise and efficient face-end drilling and accurate insertion of wooden dowels. It is ideally suited for industrial wood processing—especially in furniture and carcass production. Condition & Service: Condition: As new (completely overhauled & newly painted) Functionality: Fully operational Warranty: 12 months CE compliant / Dust-tested Main Technical Data & Features: Workpiece width: min. 60 mm / max. 1200 mm (Pendulum operation: max. 600 mm) Workpiece thickness: 15 – 60 mm Prjdpfsunvg Tsx Acpja Drilling depth: max. 45 mm Vertical stroke of the support: 7.5 – 50 mm Min. lateral drilling distance: 10 mm Drilling unit: 9,000 – 18,000 rpm (adjustable), 1.5 kW Drilling system: M10 external (Scheer system) Servo motor: 0.54 kW, max. 60 m/min feed rate Dowel size: 8 x 30 / 8 x 50 mm, DIN 68150 Form A Glue system: 1:1 diaphragm pump, max. 7 bar Glue container: spiral conveyor, 3.5 liter capacity Extraction connection: Ø 80 mm | Extraction airflow: 540 m³/h at 30 m/s Clamping cylinders: 4 short-stroke cylinders (Ø 63 mm), angular clamping Power supply: 400 V, 50 Hz Machine Construction & Operator Comfort: Controlled X-axis with machine frame as workpiece support X-support with linear guide and rack-and-pinion drive Servo drive for feed system Clamping portal with 4 adjustable clamping cylinders—controllable in 2 groups Stop rulers: left, right, and center on the table Drilling depth and dowel projection are adjustable directly on the support Offcut Unit & Safety Systems: Safety hood locking Lamella safety curtain Integrated extraction channels Control & Operation: PC with Siemens PLC controller User interface: WP-Studio—dialog-oriented programming Operating system: Windows 10 Display: 17" color monitor Separate workpiece programs for left & right operating sides (mirrored possible) Glue quantity can be individually defined per program Network capable (LAN/WLAN), compatible with Windows, Linux, Mac, Novell Remote maintenance & software updates possible Optional Equipment: Y-axis: automatic adjustment of drilling and glue units Electronic glue monitoring: ensures controlled glue flow Additional drilling unit for surface-side drilling: • Drilling motor: 1.5 kW at 18,000 rpm • Drill feed: pneumatic • Drill stroke: max. 25 mm • Depth limit: via spindle & SIKO display • Drill distance from reference edge: 5 – 35 mm • Holder: M10 external, max. Ø 35 mm • Workpiece length: min. 70 / 90 mm Warranty & Reliability: We are convinced of the stability and manufacturing quality of our machines—that’s why you receive a 7-year warranty on the machine construction, especially on the supporting structure and guide mechanism. Excluded are electrical supply components as well as normal wear parts. Additionally, we provide a 1-year warranty on the complete machine (including control, hydraulics, pneumatics, etc.). Conclusion: This machine combines state-of-the-art control technology, high manufacturing quality, and user-friendly operation. Ideal for precise dowel hole drilling and automated dowel insertion—reliable and efficient for continuous operation. 📞 Contact us for an individual offer or to schedule a demonstration. Available from stock. Delivery, commissioning, and training available as options.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1980, Dowel drilling machine for frame production Psdpfx Aceyy I Snjpjra

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2013, functionality: fully functional, We are offering this very well-preserved Götzinger Powerdrill BK2 drilling and milling machine, year of manufacture 2013. The unit is in impeccable condition and ready for immediate use! No defects or damages! Psdpoy D Ukrsfx Acpora If you have any questions or require further information, please feel free to send us a message or call us.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1998, functionality: fully functional, Drilling machine with automatic angle adjustment Prjdoy Iaizspfx Acpoa

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1977, operating hours: 250 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 704384, drilling depth: 80 mm, total length: 1,500 mm, total height: 1,200 mm, overall weight: 640 kg, drill spindle length: 100 mm, compressed air connection: 5 bar, working width: 1,200 mm, height adjustment type: mechanical, space requirement width: 1,200 mm, pressure: 5 bar, power: 4.4 kW (5.98 HP), Machine in excellent condition. Inspection by appointment. Prsdpfx Ajx Dbg Rjcpsa

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2007, functionality: fully functional, NC-controlled drilling and dowel-inserting machine Manufacturer: Weeke Model: Optimat ABD 150 Year of manufacture: 2007 Workpiece dimensions: Length: 20 - 1250 mm Width: 100 - 800 mm Thickness: 10 - 60 mm Active center stop: maximum length 600 mm Equipment: - Horizontal drilling unit with 3 individually selectable spindles, spindle pitch 32 mm - 1 dowel insertion unit (spaced 32 mm from the first drilling spindle) - Glue nozzle with adjustable glue output - Glue flow monitoring - Mist oiler for glue nozzle - Standard dowel sizes: 8x30 mm / 8x35 mm - Vibratory feeder for automatic dowel feed 1. BASE MACHINE - Rigid welded steel frame construction - Axis travel in X, Y, and Z directions - Ball screw drives (Y- and Z-axis) and rack and pinion drive (X-axis) - Digital AC servo motor - Support table with left and right side stops and rear fence - Pneumatic center stop, manually actuated via selector switch - 6 overhead pneumatic clamps, manually adjustable - Centralized lubrication system power control PC85T Prodexdl Raopfx Acpea Modern control system based on Windows PC

Condition: new, Bore diameter variabel mm Number of heads horizontal 3 St. Number of heads vertical 4 St. Götzinger Power Drill in special version with dübelleim and press-in station With the Götzinger PowerDrill, you can choose: - Drill the front and long sides - Doweling of doors, seatings, fighters - The drilling patterns are freely programmable - You can: Grip handle and corner bearing, with quick-change Multi-spindle drilling heads - You can: lock casings, pusher and PZ as well as 3D tapes and drill - The machine has a horizontal and a vertical milling unit - A simple control lets you create drilling and milling programs, Save and recall POWER DRILL - drilling and milling machine Universal drilling machine for drilling olives, corner bearings, dowel work On the front and the front, milling, lock boxes, tapes, etc. Base in stable design, covered with sheet metal Table top 1800 x 200 mm Processing unit: X-axis - 500 mm working travel Y-axis - 100 mm Z axis - 105 mm 1 drilling unit horizontal (dowel drilling unit left) Drilling motor 380 V, 1,100 W Clamping chuck d = 8/10 Predpjd Ih Hyefx Acpoa 4,000 - 11,000 rpm can be adjusted 1 drilling unit vertically from above - fixed Drilling motor 1.1 KW, 3,000 rpm Quick change of the drill head 1 drill head BKF 2/3, quick-changeable, (corner bearing) On the loose part, hardware according to customer requirements including drill replacement Control: electro-pneumatic with three axes NC positioning controller and integrated machine function Input via TFT display, 10 "color Machine complete, CE compliant, with 1 set of drilling tools Dübo je 1xd = 6,8,10,14 + 2 Roughing cutter d = 16, 1 milling cutter d = 20, ready for connection 1 drill head BKF 3, fast exchangeable for olives including drill bit Fitting according to customer requirements 2 drilling units 1 x horizontal for drilling from above (for tapes) 1 x vertical for dowel work, right Drilling motor 1.100 Watt, infinitely variable 4,000 - 11,000 rpm with collet chuck ER 20 2 Milling units for lock boxes 1 x horizontal for tapes, lock boxes 1 x vertically from above for PZ, pushers, tapes Milling motor 2.2 KW Speed ??adjustable 3,000 - 16,000 rpm Clamping tool holder ER 25 1 length stop right and left, working length 2.8 m NC-controlled When the length stop is used, the fixed stops are removed. Dimension: LxBxH = 2.50 x 1.50 x 2.20 m - Weight machine 850 kg PowerDrill LxBxH = 0,30 x 0,30 x 6,00 m - Weight length stop 100 kg 1 Dübelleim- and press-in station consisting of: - Swing conveyor for dowels with feed -Dübeleinpressstation -High pressure glue pump made of stainless steel with glue container - Full jet valve for precise glue application Exhaust nozzle Price for 1 dowel diameter The basic machine will be about 300 mm longer (Technical data according to manufacturer - without guarantee!)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2003, Rilesa VLG 1524 Pedpfx Aju Shzfjcpsra 3 drilling units from above 2 right/left aggregates

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, Drilling and dowel inserting machine for simultaneous drilling, gluing and dowel inserting in the of System 32 mm through multi spindle drillhead and adjustable doweling stations. Short introduction: • Universal drilling and dowel inserting machine • Simplest operation • Closed gluing system • Suitable for panel and solid wood processing Psdpfxedx Aw Ne Acpsra • Optional, additional vertical drilling unit • Relieves CNC machining centers • Optimal complement to nesting machines

Condition: like new (used), DEMONSTRATION MACHINE For sale is a Felder FD-21 dowel boring machine. The machine is in use in our showroom and is therefore in mint condition. Technical data: - Version with 21 spindles - 2 hold-down clamps - 2 stops, each 1.5 m, for line boring - 2 side stops with reading optics - Indexing system for side stop with 8 positions - Motor power: 2 HP - Year of manufacture: 2025 The machine is located in A-5431 Kuchl and can be inspected and picked up during our opening hours at any time. Subject to prior sale! Pjdpfxjxxi T Uj Acpora Related terms: dowel milling machine, drilling machine, line boring Reference: R-A0117

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, functionality: fully functional, The HOMAG WEEKE OPTIMAT ABD 150 is a high-performance CNC machine designed for precise drilling, dowel insertion, and hardware fitting in furniture production and panel processing. This machine is ideal for cabinet makers, furniture manufacturers, and industrial woodworking operations requiring accurate and efficient automated processing. The machine features: CNC-controlled drilling and inserting unit Integrated glue and dowel insertion system Robust industrial construction Compact footprint Easy-to-use control panel Psdpsym Nvtefx Acpera CE certified The machine has been regularly maintained and is ready for operation.

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 008014, Max. panel length: 1250 mm Psdpjwuz S Dsfx Acpora Lateral horizontal groups: yes

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 008342, Max. panel width: 70 mm Max. panel length: 2100 mm No of injectors: 4 Lateral horizontal groups: yes Prodpfx Asx A Tc Uscpoa

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2001, Retrofitted: 2026 Numerical control: HEIDENHAIN TNC-426 Technical features Dimensions Table dimensions: 6000 x 1000 mmNumber of T slots: 7T slots dimensions: 22 mm Traverses of axis Longitudinal traverse X: 5300 mmVertical traverse Y: 1050 mmTransversal traverse Z: 1500 mmVertical capacity (VC): 80 - 1130 Milling head Head type: Fixed frontalTool clamping system: HydraulicTaper nose: ISO 50 (DIN 69871)   /   Pull stud: DIN 69872-BSpeed range: 60 - 3000 rpmSpindle power: 22/30 kW Feedrates Feedrate: 5000 mm/minRapid feedrate (X,Y,Z): 10000 mm/min Weight and dimensions Maximum weight on table: UndeterminedMachine weight approximate: 43000 kgMachine dimensions approximate: 11560 x 6150 x 3538 mm Accessories Guarding: 2 front sliding doorsAutomatic tool changer: ATC40Chip conveyor: 2 longitudinals hinge typeElectronic handwheel: HR-410Coolant: External Sale conditions Warranty: 6 months mechanical partsPrice and sale conditions: On request View all technical features Pjdpfougbrqsx Acpsra

Condition: excellent (used), TBT T30 SERIES TABLE TYPE GUN DRILLING MACHINE Model T30-1000KTN Serial number 410.364.016 Year of manufacture, approx. 1980 Number of spindles 1 Psdpfx Acezuxp Rjpsra Drilling range in steel 4 - 30 mm (solid) Counter boring 40 mm Nominal drilling depth 1000 mm Slotted table size 850 long x 750 wide mm Table size overall 1100 long x 1000 wide mm Table cross movement 800 mm (approx.) Table vertical movement 400 mm (approx.) Drilling slide longitudinal travel 1450 mm Slideway width 250 mm Spindle speeds to approx. 9000 rpm Spindle motor 25 kW Total load 41 kW Supplied with: 2 off Whip guides. Ballscrew feed. 2 Axis DRO to table Cross and Vertical, DRO to drill slide. TS25-1000 Coolant tank. Drill bushes. For Sale with Jet Machinery Ltd Jet Machinery Stock No: #27033 Machine Serial Number: 410 364 016 Cost: £17,500.00 + VAT Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that the above information is accurate it is not guaranteed. We advise prospective purchasers to check any vital details. Health and Safety At Work Act 1974: It is not reasonably practical for ourselves as suppliers to ensure that for your application the goods comply with requirements of the Act with respect to guarding etc. Prospective purchasers should ensure that a guarding specialist inspect the goods prior to use.

Condition: good (used), Universal tool milling machine Mikron WF 2 Manufacturer: Mikron Type: WF 2 Machine category: Universal tool milling machine Spindle speeds: 12 Speed range: 50–2240 rpm Spindle speed step: 1.4 Feeds: 18 Feed range: 8–400 mm/min Feed step: 1.25 Psdpfxezw U Nfs Acpsra Rapid traverse rate: 1400 mm/min Milling spindle motor: 2-speed, 1.2/1.8 kW at 1400/2800 rpm Feed motor: 0.55 kW at 1400 rpm Coolant pump motor: 0.1 kW at 2800 rpm Longitudinal travel X: 420 mm Transverse travel Y: 250 mm Vertical travel Z: 335 mm automatic / 340 mm manual Vertical travel with optical measuring system: 300 mm automatic / 310 mm manual Clamping surface of fixed angle table: 250 × 700 mm Machine weight with vertical milling head and angle table: approx. 770 kg Weight with all accessories: approx. 1250 kg Position indicator: digital for X/Y/Z Machine vice: included Tool holders and collets: extensive range of accessories available Operating manual: included No guarantee is given for the accuracy, completeness, or up-to-dateness of the information provided.

Condition: new, Number of boring motors 1 St. boring of corner bearing 1=yes, 0=no 0 nein boring of olive 1=yes, 0=no 1 ja Götzinger Olive drilling machine type OBM 1 Pos. 1 ----- Standard version (grip olive drilling only) Vertical drilling unit complete with drill head BKF 3, 21.5 mm pitch Podpfx Asygm S Socpera Drill holder M 10, cyl. right/left Pneumatic feed via foot valve Spring-loaded hold-down devices Stop system 2200 mm Total length with 10 folding stops set for fitting 1 adjustable back stop 2 swiveling workpiece supports 1 machine stand complete with shelf 220/380V, 50Hz, 1.1KW Pos. 2 ----- 1 set of drills consisting of: 2 dowel drills d = 10 left 1 artificial drill d = 25 (or according to your choice or manufacturer fittings) ----- Price in the above version Pos. 1 to Pos. 2 on request! ----- Special accessories with additional charge: -Folding stop per piece, EUR 110,00/piece. -Stop system for central drilling, EUR 1,980.00 -chassis, EUR 920.00 -Roller conveyor right/left 1.5 m, 200 mm wide complete with 4 rolls each, EUR 1,940.00 -Packaging 1 box Packaging 1 pallet with foil, on request ----- We will be happy to send you the complete price sheet upon request! (Technical information according to manufacturer - no guarantee!)

Condition: good (used), Jig boring/Milling machine HAUSER 3DR Travel X: 400 mm Travel Y: 200 mm Travel Z: 400 mm Spindle: 2 speeds Cone:CM2 Spindle exit: 120 mm 2 speed ranges 60-1500 RPM / 1500-3000 RPM Table size: L 590 mm x W 320 mm Speed variator at the spindle 2 advances Auto descent: 0,03 mm/min - 0,06 mm/min Prodjzw A A Tepfx Acpoa X-axis functional with Mitutoyo devise Y and Z axis: defective scale Voltage: 380 V Width: 1500 mm Depth: 1700 mm Height in low position: 1800 mm Weight: approx 1,5 T

Condition: used, Horizontal Boring Machine CORNAC C100 Travel X: 1000 mm Travel Y: 1000 mm Travel Z: 1260 mm Pedpfx Acozw Azpepjra Fixed table Cone: SA 50 Spindle: Ø 100 mm Spindle exit: 550 mm Rotation: from 10 to 1250 RPM Table size: 1550 x 980 mm Surfacing plate: Ø 520 mm Spindle motor: 9,5 kW Scale 3 axes HEIDENHAIN Automatic Feeds: X - Y - Z Supplied with a set of cones Voltage: 380 V Dimensions (L x W x H): 4500 x 2100 x 2450 mm Weight: approx 8 T

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, drilling depth: 2,000 mm, drill diameter: 75 mm, rotational speed (min.): 250 rpm, rotational speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, The DeepFlex deep hole drilling machines from technica technology gmbh are designed for high-precision deep hole drilling applications. The machine series covers drilling diameters from Ø1.5 mm to Ø75 mm and drilling depths from 250 mm up to 2,000 mm, providing exceptional flexibility for a wide range of industrial manufacturing requirements. Whether you require small-diameter precision drilling or large deep hole machining, DeepFlex machines deliver outstanding accuracy, reliability, and consistent production quality. Pjdpfx Aozwvzpocpjra

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2005, functionality: fully functional, New in the offer SCM MB 21 / HOLZKRAFT TECNOMAX MB21 Multi-spindle drilling machine Table width: 905 mm Maximum drilling stroke: 60 mm Drilling spindles: 21 Drill spacing: 32 mm 2 parallel stops Pneumatic tilting drilling block Pneumatic workpiece clamping Prjdpfxozaddfo Acpoa Pneumatic clamping: 3 Workpiece support: standard table Drilling depth adjustment: turret-type stop Conformity marking: CE mark Weight: 267 kg Space requirements: Length: 1 m Space requirements: Width: 1.1 m Space requirements: Height: 1.3 m

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1987, Technical details: spindle diameter: 110 mm x-travel: 1985 mm y-travel: Spindelstock vert. 1270 mm z-travel: Tisch längs: 1260 m. Setzstock/1490 m. Setzstock mm table adjustment: nein ° B-axis (table): 360 W-axis (spindle longitudinal): axial: 710 mm U-axis: Planschieber radial: 250 mm control for program: Heidenhain 320 tool taper: ISO 50 table-size: 1600 x 1400 mm table rotating: 360 ° table load: 6,3 t range drill spindle revolution per minute: 6,3 ... 1250 / 4 step U/min revolution per minute: Plansupport: 6,3 ... 315 / 2 step U/min feed steps: Tisch: 5...2500 und Spindelstock vert. 5...2500 mm/min total power requirement: ca. 90 kW weight of the machine ca.: 30 t Tailstock Facing slide 700 Prsdpfx Aou Utwbscpsa Electronic handwheel max. turning Ø for drilling: 630mm max. turning Ø for facing: 1250mm At the moment the Horizontal Boring and Milling Machine has an electrical fault in the control (unknown). Our offer/sale is as described and as is! *