Used Honing Machine - External - Vertical for sale (69,367)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2021, EMAG VMC 450 MT Mfd. 2021 Control: Siemens 840D SL Machine has no production hours Description CHUCK DIAMETER: 24" MAX WEIGHT: 1100 LBS. MAX SWING DIAMETER: 31" MAX TURNING DIAMETER: 23.5" X STROKE: 30" Z STROKE: 19" MAIN DRIVE: POWER: 100 HP FULL POWER AT 800 RPM MAX SPINDLE RPM: 2,000 C AXIS POSITIONIONG TO .01MM ANGULAR DEGREES FEED DRIVE: RAPIDS Z / Z: 60 / 30 M / MIN. FEED FORCE X / Z 4 / 15 kN BALL SCREW DIAMETER X / Z: 40 / 50 MM MILLING SPINDLE: POWER: 100 HP MAX SPINDLE SPEED: 7000 RPM SPINDLE TAPER: CAPTO C8 TOOL MAGAZINE: 60 EQUIPPED WITH: MINERALIT MACHINE BED SIEMENS 840 D SL FULL ENCLOSURE LEVEL PADS TURN MILL DRIVE EMAG WORKPIECE CORRECTION SYSTEM EMAG OPERATING AND SETTINGS MASKS EMAG REMOTE DIAGNOSIS Y AXIS B AXIS +/- 95 DEGREE 1000 PSI COOLANT THROUGH TOOL X-AXI CLAMPING FOR GEAR TOOTH FORMING SWARF CONVEYOR, CHAIN TYPE - REAR DISCHARGE LIFTING PUMP PAPER FILTER LOW PRESSURE COOLANT HIGHT PRESSURE COOLANT 1000 PSI PROGRAMMABLE COOLANT PRESSURE Gijdpfx Ahoyzkdvevou COOLANT MIST EXTRACTOR AIR BLAST CHIP FLUSH QUALITY CONTROL: WIRELESS GAUGING CALIBRATION BLK FOR PROBE TOOL GAUGING - BLUM LASER

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2001, Equipped with: Power Stock Fanuc 5-Axis CNC Control 160M 400mm Honing Wheel X Axis Pulse Generator Coolant System w/Twin Filters Magnetic Chip Separator Honing Tool Set up for Last Job is Still in Machine Internal Diameter of Honing Tool on Machine is 14" Work Light Power Door Auto Dress 5-Part Program Instruction Book for 16M Control Instruction Book for Set-Up and Operation Specifications: Maximum Outer Diameter: 250 (350) Minimum Outer Diameter: 30 Maximum Overall Length: 400mm Maximum Tooth Width: 45mm Gsdpferualpex Ahvjiu Module: 1.0-3.0 Cross Feed Device(Z Axis): 430mm Max. Travel Honing Wheel Cutting Feed Device(X Axis): 370 Max. Travel Honing Wheel Swing Device(C Axis): Swing Angle: +30 Degress Honing Wheel Rotation Drive Device(A Axis): Honing Wheel Spindle Speed R/Min: 500 Honing Wheel Outer Dia.: 300 (400) Maximum Honing Wheel Width: 50mm Crowning Device (Y Axis): Maximum Rocking Angle: 1.6 Degrees Motor Types: Z-Axis Drive Motor: 1.8Kw X-Axis Drive Motor: 1.8Kw Y-Axis Drive Motor: 0.7Kw C-Axis Drive Motor: 1.8Kw A-Axis Drive Motor: 2.2/3.7Kw Maximum Distance Between Centers: 600mm Center Height: 1,100mm Floor Space: 2,170W X 2,800D X 2,100H Mass Of Machine: 4,500Kg

Year of construction: 2012, condition: ready for operation (used), functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: BCOR12150, BIESSE BREMA EKO 902 CNC and vertical dowel insertion machine for reduced cycle times Equipment Features - Clamping grippers measure the thickness to adjust drilling depth - Laser-based measuring system for detecting the front and rear panel edges - Length tolerance compensation correcting the workpiece length in X - 5-position tool changer - Drilling head with individually retractable spindles and grooving saw - Diameter: 120 mm - Gluing and dowel insertion units mounted on Y and Z axes Options Gijdpfx Aow Nytnohvou - 4.5 kW electrospindle; 18,000 rpm - Special drilling unit for hinges Technical Data - Panel length: 160 - 3200 mm - Panel width: 35 - 900 mm - Panel thickness: 8 - 80 mm - X/Y/Z axis speed: 100 / 60 / 30 m/min - X axis travel: 3200 mm - Y axis travel: 900 mm - Main spindle power: 4.5 kW - Number of controlled axes: 3 axes - Number of drilling spindles: 20 - Number of tool positions: 5

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2015, 2015 Haas VF 3SS CNC Vertical Machining Centre Table Size 1,219mm x 457mm (5 'T' Slots 16mm Wide x 80mm Pitch). Table Load 794kg. Axis Travel 'X'=1,016mm, 'Y'=508mm, 'Z'=635mm. Distance From Spindle Nose To Table 742-107mm. Rapid Traverse 'X'=35.6m/min, 'Y'=35.6m/min, 'Z'=35.6m/min. Maximum Cutting Feed 21.2m/min. Maximum Spindle Speed 12,000rpm (22.4kW Motor). Spindle Taper BT40. 24 Position ATC. Maximum Tool Ø64mm (Ø127mm Non Adjacent Tool), Maximum Tool Length 330mm, Maximum Tool Weight 5.4kg. S/No. 1119704 (2015). Giodpfx Ahozc Ih Toveu With Coolant Filtration System (208L Tank), Auger Screw Chip Conveyor, Renishaw OTS Tool Setter, Renishaw Spindle Probe, Signal Tower, Handwheel & Manuals. Note: Tooling & Work Holding Not Included.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2020, 2020 Haas UMC-750 CNC 5 Axis Vertical Machining Centre Giodpfx Aszc Idhshveu Table Dimension Ø500mm (7 'T' Slots). Maximum Table Load 300kg. Axis Travel 'X'=762mm, 'Y'=508mm, 'Z'=508mm, 'B'=-35° To +120°, 'C'=360°. Distance From Spindle Nose To Table 610-102mm. Rapid Traverse 'X'=22.9m/min, 'Y'=22.9m/min, 'Z'=22.9m/min, 'B'=50°/sec, 'C'=50°/sec. Maximum Cutting Feed 16,5m/min. Maximum Spindle Speed 8,100rpm (22.4kW Motor). Spindle Taper BT40. 40 + 1 Position ATC. Maximum Tool Ø64mm (Ø127mm Non Adjacent Tool), Maximum Tool Length 305mm, Maximum Tool Weight 5.4kg. S/No. 1172799 (2020). With Coolant Filtration System (208L Tank), Hennig Chip Conveyor, Renishaw Tool Setter, Renishaw Spindle Probe, Signal Tower, Handwheel & Manuals. Note: Tooling & Work Holding Not Included.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2016, Traverses XYZ: 1524 x 700 x 610mm, table size 1700 x 700mm, Table load 2,000kgs, Heidenhain TNC 620 Control, Din 40 spindle taper, 48 station tool changer, Godpjzcy Irsfx Ahvsiu Spindle speed 15,000rpm, through spindle Coolant, low volt light, swarf conveyor,

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2014, Traverses XYZ; 1020 x 830 x 245 mm, Table size 1000 x 700mm., spindle taper HSK-E25, Gsdpfx Ahjzcwk Rjvoiu 5 station ATC, , Datron software

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2020, Traverses X Y Z; 3200 x 1500 x 900mm. B axis +/- 120 degrees, Gedpfjzcv T Djx Ahvsiu C axis 370 degrees, Feed rate 90m/min, spindle speed 24,000rpm, spindle taper HSK 63.

Condition: good (used), Very high spec bagging machine. Large choice of forming sets including block bottom. Gisdpfxsywpblj Ahvsu

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2002, Make: PLEIGER Type: HF 75 / 115 S 30 Control: Siemens Simatic panel Year: 2002 Stroke speed slide step 1 : 4 - 20 M/Min Stroke speed slide step 2 :0,3 - 3 M/Min Rotation chuck step 1 : 300 Rpm and 320 Nm Rotation chuck step 2: 100 Rpm and 1290 Nm Horizontal deep hole honing machine Horizontal tube honing machine Horizontal cylinder honing machine Horizontal pipe honing machine Fine finishing of cylindrical bores Gsdpekvnc Sofx Ahveiu Specifications Metric US Standard Drilling depth 11500 mm Power on spindle 55 kW Speeds / ranges 300 Rpm Dimensions (Estimate) Length 25000 mm Width 2000 mm Height 2000 mm Weight 30000 kg Please Note: The information on this page has been obtained to the best of our ability and belief, and from the manufacturers where possible. It is given in good faith, but its accuracy can not be guaranteed. Accordingly, it will not form a representation or constitute contractual terms. We advise you to check any vital details!

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2005, Hedelius C60-2500 CNC machining center with 4th axis - spindle running time: 9,546 h Manufacturer: Hedelius Type: C60-2500 Year of manufacture: 2005 Control system: Heidenhain Location: Bremen Technical data: Travel in X-axis: 2,500 mm Travel in Y-axis: 620 mm Travel in Z-axis: 500 mm Table clamping area: 3,000 x 600 mm Spindle speed: 8,000 rpm Rapid traverse / feed rate: up to 30,000 mm/min Machine weight: approx. 12,000 kg Operating hours: Control system ON: 40,045 h Machine ON: 44,393 h Program running time: 10,019 h Spindle running time: 9,546 h Equipment: Heidenhain CNC control system CNC axis Full enclosure Electronic handwheel Coolant system Work area lighting Gsdpozc Rlhefx Ahveiu Chip conveyor Description: For sale is a Hedelius C60-2500 CNC machining center with Heidenhain control system and 4th axis. The machine is in operation and can be inspected while powered on, by prior arrangement. With an X-axis travel of 2,500 mm and a table clamping area of 3,000 x 600 mm, the machine is particularly suitable for machining long workpieces in mechanical, tool, fixture, and steel construction. The comparatively low spindle running hours of only 9,546 hours are particularly noteworthy. The machine has a 4th axis, providing extended machining capabilities while reducing setup times. The Hedelius C60 stands for robust German engineering quality, high precision, and a long-lasting design. Inspection is possible at any time in Bremen by appointment. _____ Our general terms and conditions apply. In addition, the seller is not liable for typographical or data transmission errors. The information and images have been provided by the owner and released for publication. The appearance of the offered items corresponds to their age and the images shown. The technology and wear of the offered items are consistent with their age. Used machines are sold exclusively to commercial enterprises and without warranty.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2013, HEDLIUS C50 C50/40/530/1800/8 Machining Center ==> Spindle operating hours: 8,997 h Manufacturer: HEDLIUS Model: C50 Year of manufacture: 2013 Control system: Heidenhain Machine weight: approx. 5,500 kg Technical data Travel X: 1,800 mm Travel Y: 510 mm Travel Z: 480 mm Table size: approx. 2100 x 510 mm Feed rate: up to 30,000 rpm Spindle speed: up to 8,000 mm/min Spindle operating hours: 8,997 h Program running time: 10,446 h Equipment Heidenhain CNC control system Fully enclosed machining center Central lubrication Coolant system Electronic handwheel Tool magazine Documentation available Description For sale is a well-maintained HEDLIUS C50 CNC machining center from 2013. Gjdpfx Ahjzc Rcteveiu The machine is in very good condition and can be inspected while powered on after prior arrangement. With an X-axis of 1800 mm, the machine is ideally suited for machining long workpieces in tool, machine, and fixture construction. The relatively low spindle operating hours of only 8,997 hours are particularly noteworthy. The machine has a Heidenhain control system and reaches spindle speeds of up to 8,000 rpm. The HEDLIUS C50 stands for high precision, stability, and reliability "Made in Germany" and is ideally suited for both single-part and series production. Inspection: Possible by appointment in Bremen. _____ Our general terms and conditions apply; furthermore, the seller is not liable for typographical or data transmission errors. The information and images were provided to us by the owner and released for publication. The appearance of the offered items corresponds to their age and the images shown. The technology and wear of the offered items are in accordance with their age. Used machines are sold exclusively to commercial enterprises and without warranty.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, Model: FMV-1700 Year of Manufacture: 1999 Control System: FANUC Number of Tools: 24 Maximum Spindle Speed: 12000 RPM X-Axis Travel: 1700 mm Y-Axis Travel: 750 mm Z-Axis Travel: 700 mm Other Specifications: BT50 Movement System for Each Axis: Box Machine Weight: 9000 kg Gisdpon D Ifisfx Ahvju With fourth axis

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2017, control Fanuc - - - - - - - - - Giedpoy N D Svsfx Ahvsu - - - - - - - - - Vertical Turning Machine | EMAG - VL 4 with driven tools, equipped with a workpiece conveyor belt, a chip conveyor, and a coolant system The machine is in a well-maintained condition. Technical data of the machine will follow soon. We ask for your understanding ! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #Tags: VL4 | VL-4

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2017, control Fanuc - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vertical Turning Machine | EMAG - VL 4 with driven tools, equipped with a workpiece conveyor belt, a chip conveyor, and a coolant system The machine is in a well-maintained condition. Giedpfjy N D Spex Ahvju Technical data of the machine will follow soon. We ask for your understanding ! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #Tags: VL4 | VL-4

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2017, control Fanuc - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vertical Turning Machine | EMAG - VL 4 with driven tools, equipped with a workpiece conveyor belt, a chip conveyor, and a coolant system Gijdpeyy A Nzofx Ahveu The machine is in a well-maintained condition and can be inspected at any time under power. Technical data of the machine will follow soon. We ask for your understanding ! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #Tags: VL4 | VL-4

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2000, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 560 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 460 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 450 mm, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, Machine Name - Okuma Machine Model - MX45VAE Y.O.M 2000 Descriptions - OSP 700M Spindle Speeds 7000 rpm BT40 taper Gjdpezair Uofx Ahvoiu Table Size 1000 mm x 460mm X – Axis Travel 560mm Y – Axis Travel 460mm Z – Axis Travel 450mm 20 station ATC Renishaw tool setter Renishaw work probe Coolant system and conveyor 2 x identical machines available

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2020, Table size 1630 x 760 mm, table load 1500 kgs, Giedpszbkm Nefx Ahvsu Traverses XYZ 1525 x 762 x 625 mm, rapid feedrates 30m/min, Spindle power 24Kw, spindle speed 12,000rpm, 30 station ATC, spindle taper BT40, through spindle coolant, swarf conveyor, spindle probe , heidenhain tnc 640control.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2018, Traverses X Y Z: 660mm x 406mm x 508mm, Giedpfx Ahozbitzsvju table size 762mm x 356mm, 10000rpm spindle, 20 station ATC, BT40 spindle taper, Hurco WINMAX control, coolant.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2021, Traverses X Y Z: 660 x 450 x 500mm, Table size 720mm x 420mm, table load 500kgs, spindle speed 12,000rpm, spindle motor power 28Hp, Godpfxjzbituj Ahvjiu Siemens 828D Control with Shopmill, rapid feed XYZ axis 24m/min, Spindle taper BT40, 12 station ATC

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2018, Traverses X Y Z 800 x 450 x 510mm, table size 1000 x 450 mm, table load 600KGS, Gsdpfezbhv Isx Ahveiu spindle taper BT40, spindle speed 12,000rpm, 30 station ATC, spindle power 18.5/11Kw, Through spindle coolant, Siemens 828D control

Year of construction: 2021, condition: used, Vulcan VMC1000B CNC Vertical Machining Centre. Serial No. 106B0542101 (2021) with Heidenhain TNC620 Control, Table Size 1100 x 500mm, Travels X/Y/Z = 1000/600/650mm, Max Table Load 600kg, 30 Tool ATC (Drum Type), Spindle Taper BT40, Spindle Speed Max 8000rpm, Swarf Conveyor, Filtermist FX5002 Oil Mist Extractor, Machine Weight 6800kg. Auction 3484. Giedpfxjzbaxbj Ahvou Please note: This lot has been professionally decommissioned Location: This lot is located in Burton-on-Trent. A charge of £450 for dismantling and loading onto suitable transport will be automatically added to your invoice should you be successful in purchasing this item. Blocking and securing will be at the cost of the purchaser.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, Haas VF-5B/40HE vertical machining center, year 2006. Gisdpozcu Imsfx Ahveu

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2007, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 450 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 300 mm, feed length X-axis: 450 mm, feed length Y-axis: 400 mm, feed length Z-axis: 300 mm, nominal power (apparent): 12 kVA, controller manufacturer: Fanuc, controller model: Oi-MC, workpiece weight (max.): 200 kg, total height: 2,460 mm, total length: 2,100 mm, total width: 1,980 mm, table width: 320 mm, table length: 720 mm, table load: 200 kg, overall weight: 2,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, spindle nose: BT40, number of spindles: 1, number of slots in tool magazine: 12, tool diameter: 75 mm, tool weight: 6,000 g, input voltage: 400 V, type of input current: three-phase, Equipment: rotational speed infinitely variable, 🟦 2007 Dugard Eagle 450XP CNC Vertical Machining Centre | Fanuc Oi-MC | 12 ATC 🔧 Machine Details Manufacturer: Dugard Model: Eagle 450XP Year: 2007 Type: CNC Vertical Machining Centre (VMC) Control: Fanuc Series Oi-MC Condition: Good 💡 Description 2007 Dugard Eagle 450XP CNC Vertical Machining Centre equipped with Fanuc Oi-MC control, offering reliable and precise machining performance. This compact VMC is ideal for precision engineering, toolmaking, and general machining applications, combining high speed, accuracy, and a small footprint. The 12-station tool changer and rigid tapping make it a versatile and efficient machine for a wide range of jobs. ⚙️ Technical Specifications Table Size: 700 x 320 mm Max Table Load: 200 kg 📏 Travels X Axis: 450 mm Y Axis: 400 mm Z Axis: 300 mm ⚡ Spindle Spindle Speed: 10,000 rpm Spindle Taper: BT40 🔄 Tool Changer Type: Carousel ATC Stations: 12 Max Tool Diameter: 75 mm Max Tool Weight: 6 kg Tool Change Time: 6 seconds ⚙️ General Data Machine Size (L x W x H): 1980 x 2100 x 2460 mm (approx) Weight: 2,000 kg 🧠 Features Compact high-speed machining centre Godpfxjy Ittme Ahvoiu Rigid tapping capability Fully enclosed splash guarding Heat exchanger for electrical cabinet Reliable Fanuc CNC control (industry standard) Compact footprint – ideal for smaller workshops Notes: *Specifications are given in good faith but not guaranteed*

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2013, operating hours: 11,000 h, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 435 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 500 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 36 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 36 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 30 m/min, feed rate X-axis: 15 m/min, feed rate Y-axis: 15 m/min, feed rate Z-axis: 15 m/min, nominal power (apparent): 54 kVA, torque: 117 Nm, controller manufacturer: Fanuc, controller model: i Series, workpiece height (max.): 200 mm, workpiece diameter (max.): 300 mm, total height: 300 mm, total length: 2,465 mm, total width: 2,835 mm, table width: 200 mm, table load: 60 kg, rotary table diameter: 200 mm, overall weight: 5,500 kg, spindle speed (min.): 120 rpm, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, operating hours of spindle: 11,000 h, coolant supply: 20 bar, spindle nose: DIN40, number of spindles: 1, number of slots in tool magazine: 30, tool length: 300 mm, tool diameter: 125 mm, tool weight: 8 g, input voltage: 400 V, type of input current: three-phase, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, 2013 Doosan DNM 200/5AX 5 Axis CNC Machining Centre Used 2013 Doosan DNM 200/5AX (4+1) 5-axis CNC machining centre with Fanuc i Series control, probe, tool holders, spindle chiller, transformer, swarf conveyor and only 11,000 run time hours. Manufacturer: Doosan Model: DNM200/5AX Machine Type: 5 Axis (4+1) Machining Centre Year: 2013 Control: Fanuc Series i Control Hours: 11,000 Run Time Hours Machine Description 2013 Doosan DNM 200/5AX CNC Machining Centre, a compact, high-performance 4+1 - 5-axis vertical machining centre ideal for precision engineering, toolmaking, aerospace, medical, motorsport, mould and die, and complex component machining. This machine is fitted with a Fanuc i Series CNC control and has only 11,000 run time hours, making it an excellent opportunity for manufacturers looking for a reliable used 5-axis machining centre with strong capability, premium features and valuable accessories included. The Doosan DNM 200/5AX is well known for combining compact footprint, rigid construction and 5-axis positioning. It is ideal for reducing setups, machining complex parts and increasing productivity compared with conventional 3-axis machining. Key Features 2013 Doosan DNM 200/5AX 4+1 5 Axis CNC Machining Centre Fanuc i Series Control Gedpfx Ajy St Sdjhveiu Only 11,000 Run Time Hours Includes Renishaw OMP60 probe Includes tool holders Includes spindle chiller Includes transformer Includes swarf conveyor Compact 5-axis machining solution Ideal for complex component machining Technical Specifications X Axis Travel: 400 mm Y Axis Travel: 435 mm Z Axis Travel: 500 mm A Axis Travel: 150 Deg (+30 to -120Deg) C Axis Travel: 360 Deg Table Diameter: 200 mm Max Load on Table: 60 kg Max Workpiece: 300mm Dia x 200mm High Spindle Speed: 12,000 rpm Spindle Taper: DIN40 Pullstud: Nikken PS-806 Tool Capacity: 30 Station ATC Rapid traverse (X, Y): 36000mm/min Rapid traverse (Z): 30000mm/min Rapid traverse: (A - tilt axis) 20 rpm Rapid traverse: (C – rotary axis) 30 rpm Maximum feedrate: (X, Y, Z) 15000mm/min Maximum feedrate: (A, C) 7200 deg/min Feedback system: Absolute encoder Max Tool Diameter: 125mm Max Tool Length: 300mm Max Tool Weight: 8kg Spindle motor AC: 11/18.5kW Axis motor (XYZ): AC 4.0kW Axis motor (A axis): AC 3.0kW Axis motor (C axis): AC 1.6kW Power Requirements: 54.0 kVA Air Pressure: 6kgf/cm2 Machine Dimensions: 2465 x 2835 x 3091mm Approx. Machine Weight: 5,500 kg Run Time Hours: Approx. 11,000 hours Included With This Machine Renishaw OMP60 Probe Tool holders Spindle chiller Transformer Swarf conveyor Fanuc i Series CNC control Why Buy This Doosan DNM 200/5AX? This machine is a strong choice for companies searching for a used 5 axis CNC machining centre, used Doosan machining centre, Doosan DNM 200/5AX for sale, or compact 5-axis vertical machining centre. The 4+1 machining capability allows users to machine multiple faces of a component in fewer setups, helping to reduce handling time and increase production efficiency. With a compact table, high spindle speed and Fanuc control, this machine is particularly suited to small to medium batch production and complex prismatic parts. Applications This Doosan DNM 200/5AX is suitable for: Aerospace components Medical components Motorsport parts Toolroom machining Mould and die work General subcontract machining Complex 4+1 machining Notes: *Specifications are given in good faith but not guaranteed*