Used Mori Seiki Cl2000B for sale (530)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, machine/vehicle number: IntNr231573, A used MORI SEIKI NL 2500/1250 CNC lathe, year of manufacture 2006, is available for sale. The machine is equipped with a MORI SEIKI MSX 850III / MAPPS III control system and an IRCO SIMAG bar feeder for automatic bar loading. Technical data Control: MORI SEIKI MSX 850III / MAPPS III Origin: Japan Design: Slant-bed CNC lathe Centre distance: 1,250 mm Hjdezp Ig Iopfx Ab Tet Maximum turning length: 1,298 mm Maximum turning diameter: 356 mm Standard turning diameter: 275 mm Swing diameter over bed: 923 mm X-axis travel: 260 mm Z-axis travel: 1,345 mm Spindle speed: up to 4,000 rpm Spindle bore: approx. 80 mm Turret: 12 stations Number of turrets: 1 Chip conveyor Driven tools C-axis Y-axis Machine weight: 7,600 kg Machine dimensions (L x W x H): 5,000 x 2,300 x 2,400 mm The machine can be inspected under power by prior appointment. Technical data and specifications subject to change and error. Sale subject to prior sale.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2005, machine/vehicle number: IntNr231574, Machine Specifications Control: MORI SEIKI MSX-850 Design: Slant-bed turning center Version: SY with Y-axis Turret: 12-position with driven tools Working Area Max. turning diameter: 356 mm Standard turning diameter: 275 mm Max. turning length: 705 mm Traverse Travels X-axis: 260 mm Y-axis: ±50 mm / total approx. 100 mm Hedpfxezp Ifwj Ab Tot Z-axis: approx. 795 mm Rapid traverse X/Y/Z: 30 m/min Counter spindle LNS Quick Load Servo 2 bar feeder Max. bar length: approx. 1,500–1,600 mm / 63" The machine can be inspected under power by appointment. Specifications and technical details are subject to change and error. Prior sale reserved.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2012, Technical data: Hjdpfx Ajzn Raneb Tst 3-axis machine: X, Y, Z Travel ranges (X/Y/Z): 635 / 510 / 460 mm CNC control: SIEMENS 840D Table size: 790 x 560 mm Max. workpiece weight: 600 kg Tool holder: SK 40 Number of positions in the tool changer: 30 Spindle speed: 20 – 12000 rpm Motor power: 13 kW Dimensions (length x width x height): approx. 3400 x 2450 x 2800 mm Machine weight: approx. 4.3 tons Condition: very good condition, little use The seller is not liable for typographical or data transmission errors. The machine's appearance, technology, and wear are consistent with its age; used machines are sold without any warranty.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, Technical data shown on picture. Parts shown by hand not come. Hodst Aa H Tepfx Ab Tjt

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2005, functionality: fully functional, X-axis travel: 140 mm Y-axis travel: +/- 40 mm Z-axis travel (1+2): 450 / 410 mm Turning length: 750 mm Turning diameter over cross slide: 250 mm Turning diameter: 190 mm Distance between centres: 750 mm Max. bar diameter: 52 mm Spindle speed (max.): 4,000 rpm Main spindle speed range: 60 - 6,000 rpm Drive power - main spindle: 22 / 18.5 kW Max. torque: 198 Nm Counter spindle B-axis travel: 525 mm Feeds Feed rate X (1+2): 18,000 mm/min Feed rate Y: 6,000 mm/min Feed rate Z (1+2): 24,000 mm/min Feed rate B: 24,000 mm/min Hjdsyyupmjpfx Ab Tot Number of turrets: 2 Number of tool stations: 2x 16 pos. Shank height for square tool: 20 mm Shank diameter for drills: 25 mm Turret indexing time: 0.2 s Tool holder: VDI 30 Speed range - driven tool stations (max.): 6,000 rpm Drive power - driven tool stations: 5.5 / 3.7 / 2.2 kW Rapid traverse X (1+2): 18 m/min Rapid traverse Y: 6 m/min Rapid traverse Z (1+2): 24 m/min Rapid traverse B: 24 m/min Rapid traverse C: 400 rpm MACHINE DETAILS Control: MSX 501 Fanuc drives Machine is in excellent condition

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2005, spindle speed (max.): 6,000 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 260 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 590 mm, number of axes: 6, This 6-axis MORI SEIKI NL2000SY/500 was manufactured in 2005, featuring X-axis travel of 260 mm, Z-axis travel of 590 mm, spindle power of 5.5 kW, and a spindle speed of 6,000 rpm. It includes a 12-position tool turret. If you are looking to get high-quality turning capabilities, consider the MORI SEIKI NL2000SY/500 machine we have for sale.Contact us for more information. Hodjx D R Auspfx Ab Tjt • Tool turret: 12 positions

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1997, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 510 mm, CNC control MSC 803 25-fold automatic tool changer coolant device Technische Daten / technical details: Verfahrweg X / X-Travel 510 mm Verfahrweg Y / Y-Travel 510 mm Verfahrweg Z / Z-Travel 510 mm Tischgröße / table size 750x550 mm Hodpfjwhkcxsx Ab Tot Drehzahlbereich / spindle speed 8000 UpM /rpm Anzahl der Werkzeugplätze / tool places in changer 25 fach Spindelaufnahme / spindle taper BT40 Gewicht der Maschine ca. / weight 4500 Kg Technische Daten, Zubehör und Beschreibung der Maschine sind unverbindlich - Technical data, accessories and description of the machine are not binding.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 920 mm, turning diameter: 400 mm, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, spindle bore: 65 mm, travel distance X-axis: 920 mm, rapid traverse Z-axis: 80 m/min, controller manufacturer: FANUC, controller model: 18iB, fuel: electricity, number of slots in tool magazine: 40, Equipment: chip conveyor, Mori Seiki Mod. MT 1500 SX 9-axis milling and turning machining center, manufactured in 2006, with Fanuc Series 18iB (MSX-501) control, maximum length between chucks of 920mm, maximum diameter of 400mm, bore of 65mm, spindle speeds of 4000 and 6000 rpm for chucks and 12,000 rpm for milling. 12-position turret with motorized tools, Y-axis, B-axis +/- 120, C-axis 0.001, ATC 40 tools and chip extractor. In excellent working order and can be seen working in Portugal. Hodjh Elp Espfx Ab Tjt

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2012, turning diameter 370 mm turning length 424 mm control MSX-711-IV Mori Seiki swing diameter 370 mm X1- Axis 380 mm X2- Axis 155 mm Z1- Axis 460+155 mm Z2- Axis 610 mm y-axis +/- 105 mm B - axis +/- 120 ° bar material dia. 65 mm speed spindle max. S1 5.000 / S2 6.000 U/min. spindle bore S1/S2 65/38 mm 12000 1/min tool taper Capto C5 toolpiece magazine: chain magazine 76 Stück total power requirement 45 kW weight of the machine ca. 10,5 t dimensions of the machine ca. 2,71 x 2,43 x 2,40 m MAPPS control system Renishaw HPRA (manual tool presetter) Blum Laser Control Direct measuring system X;Y;Z;B Collet chuck SMW Autoblok KSZ-MB-040-Z140 Workpiece conveyor belt Bar feeder Breuning Irco ILS-RBK-10012 Knoll band filter KF10/500 / IKZ with milling spindle 7 stages up to 70 bar Chip conveyor ConSep 2000 Hjdpfxjznnc Ho Ab Tot

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2010, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 730 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 510 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 50 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 50 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 40 m/min, controller manufacturer: Siemens, controller model: 840D, table width: 500 mm, table length: 500 mm, table load: 300 kg, rotary table diameter: 500 mm, rotational speed (max.): 1,200 rpm, overall weight: 14,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 12,000 rpm, spindle nose: HSK-A63, number of spindles: 1, number of slots in tool magazine: 181, Equipment: chip conveyor, documentation/manual, rotational speed infinitely variable, We acquired this machine in working condition directly from production; see the videos of the machine in operation before disassembly! The Mori Seiki NMV 5000 DCG is a high-end (simultaneous) 5-axis machine designed for precision manufacturing in industries where complex shapes and tight tolerances are critical. Hedpfx Aozlf Eaeb Tjt Includes: KNOLL FKA/500 belt filter system + 3 filter rollers. Filtermist FX5000 emulsion extraction system. Renishaw OMP60 3D probe. Chip conveyor. Spindle cooler. Original Mori Seiki tool storage cabinet. Original documentation + electrical diagrams.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2002, operating hours: 400 h, travel distance X-axis: 1,080 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 1,200 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,000 mm, controller manufacturer: FANUC, controller model: 16iMA, total height: 3,950 mm, table load: 1,000 kg, overall weight: 15,000 kg, spindle speed (max.): 10,000 rpm, spindle motor power: 30,000 W, product length (max.): 9,500 mm, number of axes: 3, This 5-axis MORI SEIKI SH8000/5AX was manufactured in 2002. Fully overhauled in 2016, it features a Fanuc 16iMA control, a spindle speed of 10,000 rpm, and a tool magazine with a capacity of 150 tools. The machine has a pallet size of 630 × 630 mm and a loading capacity of 1000 kg. If you are looking to get high quality milling capabilities consider the MORI SEIKI SH8000/5AX machine we have for sale. Contact us for more information. • Condition: Completely overhauled in 2016; excellent technical condition, minimal use since Hedpfxox D D I Do Ab Tet • Documentation: Full paper record of all overhaul interventions and replaced parts • Spindle hours: ~400 total (≈200 h test running,

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2005, The machine is in good working condition; testing is possible upon prior arrangement. SPACESAVER SS 2101. Fanuc MSX-850 control system. Hodoznl Nqopfx Ab Tjt

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, turning length: 1,345 mm, turning diameter: 420 mm, spindle speed (min.): 3,000 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 260 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 1,280 mm, Manufacturer: Mori Seiki Co., Ltd. (Nagoya, Japan) + chuck system Machine model: NL3000MC/1250 Serial number: NL301DJ0070 Year of manufacture: October 2004 Machine weight: 7600 kg Electrical data Voltage: AC 200 V Phases: 3 Frequency: 50 Hz Rated power: 44 kVA Full load current: 127 A Spindle motor current: 200 A Interrupting capacity: 5 kA Electrical diagram number: NL301DJ0070 The machine is a CNC turning center (Mori Seiki NL series) with a nominal electrical power of 44 kVA. CHUCK SYSTEM: Manufacturer: Kitagawa Chuck: B-212A821F Chuck cylinder: S2091 Technical data Permissible pressure (when using external chuck jaws on the standard package): 2.7 MPa Maximum speed: 3000 min⁻¹ CNC turning center of the NL series (Mill Center version) with milling capability (driven tools + C-axis). The data is compiled from original Mori Seiki / DMG MORI catalogs and matches your machine's nameplate (year 2004, weight 7600 kg, 44 kVA, 200 V). Capacity ValueMax. turning diameter420 mmMax. turning length1250–1345 mm Swing over bed995 mm Swing over carriage825 mm Bar capacity90 mm (3.5") Standard chuck12" (Kitagawa B-212A821F) Travels X-axis: 260–280 mm Z-axis: approximately 1280–1370 mm (depending on the exact configuration /1250) Y-axis: option (usually ±60 mm for Y/SY versions) Spindle Max. speed: up to 4000–6000 min⁻¹ (limited to 3000 min⁻¹ with your Kitagawa chuck) Spindle bore diameter: 105 mm (approximately 91 mm with chuck) Spindle mounting: A2-8 Hsdpfozm Tkaex Ab Tjt Spindle motor power: 22/18.5 kW (30/25 HP) or up to 30 kW (depending on the version) Minimum indexing angle: 0.001° Turret (MC version) Number of stations: 10 or 12 Rotary tools: yes (max. 6000 min⁻¹) Power of rotary tool drive: 5.5 / 5.5 / 3.7 kW Indexing time: approximately 0.2–0.3 s Rapid traverses and drives Rapid traverse X/Z: up to 30 m/min Rapid traverse Y: up to 10 m/min (if equipped) C-axis: up to 300–400 min⁻¹ Electrical and other data (from your nameplate) Rated power: 44 kVA Voltage: 200 V AC, 3-phase, 50 Hz Full load current: 127 A Machine weight: 7600 kg Controller: typically MSX-850 / MAPPS

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1990, Mori Seiki MV-40 machining center Year: 1990 Hjdpey S T D Tjfx Ab Tot

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, x-travel 800 mm y-travel 530 mm z-travel 510 mm Control MSC 504 Mori Seiki turning speeds max. 10.000 min/-1 power capacity - main spindel 15 / 11 kW Hedpfx Aox R Emwob Tet tool taper SK 40 spindle bearing diameter 70 mm distance spindle /table 150 - 660 mm table surface area 1.100 x 600 mm max. table load 800 kg T-slots 6x 18 mm table height over floor 900 mm number of toolpositions 30 pos. tool taper SK 40 max. tool diameter 80 mm max. tool-dia with free toolbox 125 mm max. tool length 300 mm max. tool weight 8,0 kg change-time tool to tool 1,3 sec change-time chip to chip 4,1 - max. 9,2 sec rapid traverse ( X / Y / Z ) 36 / 36 / 20 m/min feed speeds max. 6.000 mm/min Tipp feed 1 - 5.000 mm/min total power requirement 27 kVA weight of the machine ca. 6,1 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3,5 x 3,0 x 2,8 m CNC - Machiningcenter Vertical MORI SEIKI - DuraVertical 5080 -038

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2007, x-travel 800 mm y-travel 530 mm z-travel 510 mm Hsdox R Emqjpfx Ab Tet Control MSC 504 Mori Seiki turning speeds max. 10.000 min/-1 power capacity - main spindel 15 / 11 kW tool taper SK 40 spindle bearing diameter 70 mm distance spindle /table 150 - 660 mm table surface area 1.100 x 600 mm max. table load 800 kg T-slots 6x 18 mm table height over floor 900 mm number of toolpositions 30 pos. tool taper SK 40 max. tool diameter 80 mm max. tool-dia with free toolbox 125 mm max. tool length 300 mm max. tool weight 8,0 kg change-time tool to tool 1,3 sec change-time chip to chip 4,1 - max. 9,2 sec rapid traverse ( X / Y / Z ) 36 / 36 / 20 m/min feed speeds max. 6.000 mm/min Tipp feed 1 - 5.000 mm/min total power requirement 27 kVA weight of the machine ca. 6,1 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3,5 x 3,0 x 2,8 m CNC - Machiningcenter Vertical MORI SEIKI - DuraVertical 5080 -413

Condition: good (used), Parts shown by hand not come. SK 40 ,30 tool places in tool changer. Hjdpfx Abjzki Rke Tst

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2012, functionality: fully functional, CNC Horizontal Lathe Mori Seiki NL2000Y/500 Hjdpfx Aswvrfkob Tst Year 2012 Controller : MAPPS III Max Swing Ø923mm Max over cross slide Ø755mm Max Turn Ø356mm Bar Capacity Ø65mm Travel X260mm / Z590mm Y +/-50mm Spindle Speed 5000rpm Turret 12 stations Max. milling speed 6,000rpm Chip conveyor Stock Clearance at 39.000EUR ONLY

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1997, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 179, travel distance X-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 510 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 510 mm, controller model: MSC 803, rotational speed (max.): 8,000 rpm, No minimum price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel range, X-axis: 510 mm Travel range, Y-axis: 510 mm Travel range, Z-axis: 510 mm Table size: 750 x 550 mm Spindle speed range: 8,000 rpm Spindle mounting: BT40 MACHINE DETAILS Control system: MSC 803 Hjdpszi D E Tefx Ab Tjt Weight: 4,500 kg EQUIPMENT 25-position tool changer Coolant system

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2019, travel distance X-axis: 540 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 500 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 700 mm, controller manufacturer: SIEMENS, controller model: 840D, number of axes: 5, This 5-axis DMG Mori Seiki LaserTec 50 was manufactured in 2019. It features a Celos with Siemens 840D sl Operate control, integrated ytterbium cw fiber laser, and a compact design with a 4 m² footprint. Ideal for machining diamond tools with dimensions up to Ø 355 mm and 420 mm in length. If you are looking to get high-quality laser machining capabilities, consider the DMG Mori Seiki LaserTec 50 machine we have for sale. Contact us for more information. • Control: CELOS with Siemens 840D sl Operate; 21.5" ERGOline Control with multi-touch screen • Processes: Laser fine cutting, laser drilling, laser welding • Work capacity: Machining diamond tools up to Ø 355 mm and 420 mm in length • Axes/table: NC swivel rotary table; 5-axis transformation; high-dynamic torque motors in B and C axes Hsdpfx Asyfv Tvob Tst • Drives: Linear drives in X/Y with acceleration > 1 g • Laser source: Integrated ytterbium CW fiber laser; 450 W QCW ytterbium fiber laser with 4,500 W pulse peak power and 450 W average power • Processing head: 80 mm focal length; collision switch • Vision: Camera through beam path for fiber laser • Construction: Solid mineral cast base • Footprint: Approx. 4 m² • Condition/usage: ~100 working hours (as new) • Notes: CNC precision laser machine with high-speed processing; highly dynamic and precise Additional equipment • Fanuc robot automation • Keller automatic extraction system • Basement exhaust extraction system

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, Fixed tool holders Machine: MORI SEIKI SL2000 Turret manufacturer: SAUTER ---- 2x→ No. 444-119 Turning Tool Holder 25 mm steel holder Fixed turning tool holder Price: on request ----- 1x→ No. 444-201 Double Turning Tool Holder for main spindle and sub spindle with 1x clamping bar for 25 mm tool steels Fixed turning tool holder Price: on request ----- 1x→ No. 444-210 Boring Bar Holder Cylindrical mount ø 32 mm second mount ø 32 mm; 57 mm to the rear Price: on request ----- Hjdsynb E Njpfx Ab Tot 1x→ No. 444-205 Turning Holder Mount 25 mm steel holder Price: on request

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2007, CNC Control: MSX-501III X axis mm: 730 Y axis mm: 730 Z axis mm: 850 B axis mm: 0.001 Pallet size mm: 500 x 500 Number of pallets: 2 Table load capacity kg: 500 Cutting feed mm/min X, Y, Z: 50,000 Max. rapid traverse m/min X, Y, Z: 50, 50, 50 Spindle speed rpm: 14,000 Spindle power kW: 22/18.5 Taper type: BT-40 Torque Nm: - Tool changer type: Chain Tool magazine positions: 60 Max. tool diameter mm: 70 Max. tool diameter with adjacent pockets empty: 140 Max. tool length mm: 500 Max. tool weight kg: 8 Coolant tank capacity l: 760 Through-spindle coolant bar: Yes Hjdeythprepfx Ab Tst Equipment Chip conveyor Internal coolant Rigid tapping Manuals, electrical diagrams, etc.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2011, CNC Control: FANUC Series 31i-A5 X axis travel mm: 730 Y axis travel mm: 510 Z axis travel mm: 510 B axis (degrees): +160 / -180 C axis (degrees): 360 Number of pallets: 1 Table size mm: Ø500 Table load capacity kg: 300 Cutting feedrate mm/min (X, Y, Z): 50,000, 50,000, 40,000 Maximum rapid traverse m/min (X, Y, Z): 50, 50, 40 Spindle speed rpm: 12,000 Spindle power kW: 18.5 / 15 Taper type: BT-40 Torque Nm: - Tool changer type: Chain Tool magazine capacity: 61 Max. tool diameter mm: 90 Max. tool diameter with adjacent positions empty: 125 Max. tool length mm: 300 Max. tool weight kg: 8 Coolant tank capacity l: 750 Through-spindle coolant (bar): Yes EQUIPMENT Rotary table with digital readouts: Included Work light: Included Through-spindle coolant Electronic handwheel integrated in CNC panel Coolant oil skimmer Tool life management 3D tool compensation Cylindrical interpolation MORI-APM programming software MACHINE DIMENSIONS Length mm: 2,771 Width mm: 3,948 Height mm: 3,264 Weight kg: 12,400 Hjdeydh Hlspfx Ab Tst

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2011, TECHNICAL DETAILS CNC control: MSX-501III X axis mm: 560 Y axis mm: 560 Z axis mm: 660 B axis deg.: 360.000 Table load capacity kg: 400 Cutting feed rate mm/min X,Y,Z: 60,000 Max. rapid traverse m/min X,Y,Z: 50 Spindle speed rpm: 12,000 Spindle power kW: 15 Taper type: ISO-40 Torque Nm: 120 Tool changer type: Chain Tool changer positions: 60 Max. tool diameter mm: 70 Max. tool diameter with adjacent positions empty mm: 170 Max. tool length mm: 450 Max. tool weight kg: 8 Coolant tank capacity l: 500 Through-spindle coolant (high-pressure): Yes EQUIPMENT Double chip conveyor ISO-40 taper Hsdpfx Asxfka Nsb Tst High-pressure through-spindle coolant with pump Tool breakage detection probe Part measuring probe RENISHAW MACHINE DIMENSIONS Length mm: 3,755 Width mm: 2,300 Height mm: 2,610 Weight kg: 7,600

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2010, operating hours: 5,002 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: NT100JG0126, turning length: 424 mm, turning diameter: 370 mm, travel distance X-axis: 380 mm, bar passage: 52 mm, controller model: FANUC FS-31iA5 (MAPPS 4), TECHNICAL DETAILS Turning length: 424 mm Maximum turning diameter: 370 mm (270 mm with turret 2) Bar capacity: 52 mm Turning-milling spindle Full indexing capabilities: Yes X-axis travel: 380 mm Y-axis travel: ± 105 mm Hodpfxjzf H Ezo Ab Tjt Z-axis travel: 460 + 155 mm (ATC) B-axis: ± 120º Spindle speed: 12,000 rpm Drive power: 9/5.5 kW Tool magazine Number of magazine positions: 38 Tool holder: Capto C5 Maximum tool length: 250 mm (210 mm for tools under Ø70 mm) Maximum tool diameter: 70 mm / Ø130 mm (with/without adjacent tools) Maximum tool weight: 5 kg Lower turret X-axis travel: 155 mm Z-axis travel: 610 mm Number of tool slots: 10 Tool speed: 6,000 rpm Drive power for driven tools: 1.5/1.2 kW Main spindle Spindle speed: 6,000 rpm Drive power: 11/7.5 kW Spindle bore: 73 mm Chuck type: Hollow chuck (8") Manufacturer: KITAGAWA Spindle nose: JIS A2-5 Maximum torque: 223 Nm Counter spindle Spindle speed: 1,000 rpm B-axis: 4 fixed positions, 0º, -30º, -180º (-225º for overhang onto conveyor, if available) MACHINE DETAILS Control: FANUC FS-31iA5 (MAPPS 4) Potential rated power: 39.24 kVA Dimensions & Weight Dimensions (L x W x H): 2,705 x 2,425 x 2,385 mm Weight: 8,800 kg Operating Hours Power on: 54,061 h Spindle 1 operating hours: 9,813 h Spindle 2 operating hours: 5,002 h EQUIPMENT Chip conveyor Signal lamp High-pressure pump Air blow nozzle outside the spindle Foot switch (dual) for main and counter spindle