Used Bianco Automatic Saw for sale (27,105)

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2007, cutting diameter 400 mm saw band length 4715 mm cutting width 1,3 mm main drive motor 7,5 kW Roller conveyor length 4000 mm Roller conveyor width 700 mm roll diameter - bore 150 mm total power requirement 14 KVA weight of the machine ca. 7,5 t Bandsaw filling machine The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop Hodpfszfqhaox Akrenu If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: new, Circular saw automation system Profilma 502, representative of the diverse "Profilma" series ideal for window and facade construction, automotive industry, machine and plant engineering, photovoltaics/solar, etc. • for aluminum and plastic profiles • fully automatic operation • Siemens S7 control with touch display, including piece counter • Error diagnosis including IXON router for VPN connection • Batch multiplier for the use of material bundles • Cycle time indication in seconds • for use with Ø 550 mm saw blades • Drive 7.5 kW, S6, 400 V, 50 Hz, 2,850 rpm • motorized saw feed, sawing cut from below • Cutting splitter extension on both sides of the saw blade • Material feed unit with ball screw spindle and servomotor • Feed length: 3 - 800 mm • Feed slide with adjustable support roller • Reversing mechanism up to a section length of max. 4.0 m • Automatic shutdown via limit switches at the end of the material • Remnant piece from 75 mm (depending on the profile) The basic machine is also available as a sawing, drilling, and threading automation system or as a sawing and punching automation system. They complete your orders quickly and efficiently with precision and high production volumes. Further circular saw automation systems are also available for larger profile dimensions or cost-intensive workpiece materials, and are part of the proven Pressta-Eisele standard range. Hnodpfx Akszlr Rcorju Based on your processing requirements, we will be happy to advise you!

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1986, Technical details: cutting diameter: 320 mm saw band length: 5320 mm saw band width: 32 mm cutting range 90 degrees: round: 320 mm cutting range 90 degrees: flat: 320 x 320 mm control: Serie P 9521 height over floor: 730 mm band speed: 15 - 110 m/min Hjdpju Nii Sofx Akrsnu total power requirement: 4,9 kW machine weight approx.: 2200 kg dimension machine xH: 1,9 x 2,95 x 1,8 m Heavy-duty hydraulic production band saw in 2-column design - fully automatic Application for: Solid and profile materials made of steel as well as cast iron, light and non-ferrous metal Hydraulic material feed, hydraulic clamping of the clamping jaws Length measurement via precision glass measuring rod length 400mm Max. cut-off length preselectable 9999.9mm Automatic multiple stroke Saw band cleaning brush + 1x spare brush Chip conveyor Coolant device *

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2008, functionality: fully functional, High-performance automatic sawing machine / Brand: PRESSTA-EISELE Type: Profilma 510 / Year of construction: 09/2008 Description: * High-performance automatic sawing machine with fully automatic operation, * Very high cutting accuracy, * Low cycle times, * Burdere-free sawing, * High reliability, * Low maintenance Suitable for aluminum and plastic, for cutting large quantities of small parts, length tolerance 1/10 mm. The automatic sawing machine can be inspected and tested by appointment. Previous use: Used for cutting corner connectors. Condition: Very well maintained, used, ready to use. Technical specifications: - Saw motor: 7,5 kW, S6 - Speed: 2.000 - 3.500 rpm - Cutting speed: up to 92 m/s - Material feed length: up to 1.000 mm / 5-fold reversal possible - Section length: from 8 mm depending on profile - Remaining piece length: from 90 mm depending on section length - Working pressure: 6 - 8 bar - Power supply: Standard: 400 V, 50 Hz - Weight: 1.750 kg - Dimensions Length/Depth/Height: 2.700 x 1.400 x 2.300 mm Equipment: Hnsdow D T Uiepfx Akrsu - Control via Siemens S7 panel - Fully automatic bar feed - Roller conveyors - Extraction - Chip bunker - Various accessories - CE marking There is no guarantee for correctness and completeness of the technical details and accessories.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, neu 2026 060215 prompt, Zwischenverkauf v Türkei 9280 € 179.1 € 1 Schwenkrahmen 3160x27x0,9 mm 20-100 m/min 270 mm 270 mm 340x220 mm rund 230 mm, quadratisch rund 150 mm, quadratisch rund 180 mm, quadratisch 910 mm 0.37 kW 1.5 kW 0.12 kW 1730 mm 770 mm 1460 mm 476 kg DIGITAL ANGLE READ OUT blade brush control panel swivel frame infinitely adjustable lowering with hydraulic cylinder hydraulic lifting of the saw frame quick lowering with automatic switchover to working speed using a sensor pin mech. Vice with quick clamping coolant equipment machine base chip collecting tray user manualin GERMAN or ENGLISH Hnodswirktjpfx Akrsu OPTIONS: Roller tables and band saw blades on request

Year of construction: 2007, condition: good (used), machine/vehicle number: 073759001, Offer 22489 Technical data: - Cutting range at 90°: Hnsdpfoim Ildsx Akreu - Round: 320 mm - Flat: 320 x 320 mm - Material feed system - Saw band dimensions: 5095 x 34 x 1.1 mm - Cutting speed: 10 to 120 m/min - Hydraulic lifting and lowering of the saw frame - Upper stroke limit of the saw frame - Cutting pressure, infinitely adjustable - Hydraulic material clamping device - Chip conveyor - Coolant system - Chip removal conveyor: 2500 mm - Drive: 400 V / 4.0 kW - Space requirement: approx. W 2500 x H 1950 x D 2000 mm - Weight: approx. 2200 kg

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1998, cutting diameter 280 mm saw band length . mm cutting width . mm total power requirement . kW Hnodpfx Akoucgxzorju weight of the machine ca. 1 t dimensions of the machine ca. . m

Condition: used, Vollmer Junior B automatic band saw blade sharpener for sharpening band saw blades. Technical data: - Technical specifications: On request Hedpfx Aezrx Hwokrsnu

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Italien 10460 € 200.83 € Schwenkrahmen 3010x27x0,9 mm 35/70 m/min 260 mm 240 mm 330x120 mm rund 200 mm, quadrat 190 rund 120 mm, quadrat 115 830 mm 1600 mm 1200 mm 1800 mm 390 kg hydraulicvice saw beam moves up and down by hydraulic cylinder fast descent automatic fast up/down conrolled by feeler pin adjustable pressure according to section and type of material double safety buton for cycle start Hsdsynm R Ropfx Akrenu 2 speeds coolant equipment _CUTTING CYCLE_ Vice locking; Quick bow pull-down hydraulically operated; Blade rotation and cooling liquid start-up; Working pull-down; end of the cutting cycle; Stop of blade rotation and supply of cooling liquid; Quick bow lift-up; Stop of bow upwards movement; vice unlocking if selected. Option: Adjustable vice pressure (R1) EUR 403,--

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2007, cutting height (max.): 1,060 mm, cutting width (max.): 1,060 mm, Bandsaw Kasto HBA 10×12 Year 2007 Cutting ranges: Cutting area round 1,060 mm Hnjdpfx Akewk D Eforeu Cutting area square 1,060 x 1,060 mm Cutting area flat 1,060 x 1,260 mm Clamping range 300 - 1,260 mm Smallest dimension to be sawn approx. Ø 300 mm Smallest cut-off length 10 mm Minimum offcut length single cut 20 mm Minimum offcut length in automatic mode 100 mm Maximum table load 50 tons Table travel 6100 mm Total drive power 20 kW Saw motor 11 kW Infinitely variable cutting speed at 50 and 60 Hz 12 - 90 m/min Automatic feed length single 2,100 mm Clamping force of machine vice 50,000 N Saw blade dimensions 11,430 x 80 x 1.6 mm Cutting feed: infinitely variable Material feed: hydraulic Material clamping: hydraulic Saw blade guide: carbide, replaceable Saw blade tensioning: hydraulic Saw blade cleaning: with easily replaceable brush, motor-driven The offer is aimed exclusively at traders within the meaning of §14 BGB (German Civil Code) No sale to private individuals

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2004, saw blade diameter 360 / 425 / 460 mm cutting diameter 10 - 140 mm cutting speed 25 - 160 m/min Hjdpfx Akov Nq Rtorenu total power requirement 35 kW weight of the machine ca. 4,2 t dimensions of the machine ca. 2,8 x 1,8 x 2,2 m

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2016, functionality: fully functional, Semi-automatic band saw EISMO BOMAR type ERGONOMIC 320.250-DGSH.FDE Year of construction: 2016 Hnedpfx Akoz Syw Aereu Bevel cut 45° Max cutting capacity: Ø 260 mm Max vise opening: 300 mm width Motor: 1,5 KW Hydraulic vise Variable speed drive on the blade rotation Automatic descent Lubricant pump Microspraying system Supplied with some new blades Voltage: 380 V Length: 2000 mm Width: 1200 mm Total height: 1400 mm (in low position) Weight: approx 500 KG

Condition: new, neu ca. 4 Monate ab Auftragse Türkei 32000 € 611.2 € Doppelsäulenführung 5000 x 34 x 1,1 mm mm 20 - 120 m/min 330 mm 330 mm 350 x 330 mm 845 mm Hnodpjwiq Hgofx Akrsu 1.1 kW 3 kW 0.12 kW 2815 mm 1935 mm 1855 mm 2560 kg Servo feed with 700 mm stroke Cutting length up to 9,999 mm (multiple feeds) Omron touchscreen, 50 different cutting lengths and 30 programs can be saved Linear guide 41 mm saw blade Control panel Hydraulic vice Hydromechanical blade tension Heavy duty gearbox Coolant device Sensitive pressure Inverter for stepless blade speed Chip brush Optical height adjustment Chip conveyor Operating instructions in GERMAN or ENGLISH ALTERNATIVE (PRICE ON REQUEST): Model BMSO 330 CH NC with hydraulic feed instead of servo feed

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Italien 11640 € 223.49 € Schwenkrahmen 3270x27x0,9 mm 35/70 m/min 300 mm 240 mm 420x200 mm rund 240 mm, quadrat 230 rund 170 mm, quadrat 170 830 mm 1650 mm 1200 mm 1900 mm 400 kg hydraulicvice saw beam moves up and down by hydraulic cylinder fast descent automatic fast up/down conrolled by feeler pin adjustable pressure according to section and type of material double safety buton for cycle start 2 speeds coolant equipment _CUTTING CYCLE_ Hnsdpfx Akoynm S Isrju Vice locking; Quick bow pull-down hydraulically operated; Blade rotation and cooling liquid start-up; Working pull-down; end of the cutting cycle; Stop of blade rotation and supply of cooling liquid; Quick bow lift-up; Stop of bow upwards movement; vice unlocking if selected. Optional equipmente: adjustable vice pressure EUR 330,--

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Italien 12680 € 243.46 € Schwenkrahmen 3120x27x0,9 mm 35/70 m/min 280 mm 240 mm 350x140 mm rund 230 mm, quadrat 200 rund 140 mm, quadrat 140 rund 200 mm, quadrat 170 830 mm 1600 mm 1550 mm 1750 mm 460 kg Hedpfx Ajynm Shjkronu hydraulicvice saw beam moves up and down by hydraulic cylinder fast descent automatic fast up/down conrolled by feeler pin adjustable pressure according to section and type of material double safety buton for cycle start 2 speeds coolant equipment _CUTTING CYCLE_ Vice locking; Quick bow pull-down hydraulically operated; Blade rotation and cooling liquid start-up; Working pull-down; end of the cutting cycle; Stop of blade rotation and supply of cooling liquid; Quick bow lift-up; Stop of bow upwards movement; vice unlocking if selected.

Condition: new, neu ca. 10 Wochen ab Auftrags Italien 14110 € 270.91 € Schwenkrahmen 3270x27x0,9 mm 35/70 m/min 280 mm 240 mm 420x200 mm rund 260 mm, quadrat 240 rund 170 mm, quadrat 160 rund 200 mm, quadrat 180 830 mm 1600 mm 1600 mm 1800 mm 488 kg hydraulicvice saw beam moves up and down by hydraulic cylinder fast descent automatic fast up/down conrolled by feeler pin adjustable pressure according to section and type of material Hnjdpjynm Sujfx Akrju double safety buton for cycle start 2 speeds coolant equipment _CUTTING CYCLE_ Vice locking; Quick bow pull-down hydraulically operated; Blade rotation and cooling liquid start-up; Working pull-down; end of the cutting cycle; Stop of blade rotation and supply of cooling liquid; Quick bow lift-up; Stop of bow upwards movement; vice unlocking if selected.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2009, cutting diameter 360 mm saw band length 4870 x 41 x 1,3 mm cutting width 360 mm Hnedpfx Ajzyyyzokrou cutting speed 11 - 110 m/min 4,0 kW height of the workpiece 800 mm weight of the machine ca. 2,1 t dimensions of the machine ca. 2,3 x 1,9 x 2,2 m Automatic hydraulic band saw with - SIMATIC OP17 NC control - Single material feed 600 mm - Max. programmable length 6000 mm - Hydraulic saw blade tensioning (36–40 bar) - Motorized chip conveyor - Emergency stop device - infeed roller conveyor 4m

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2019, Saw blade diameter: 350 mm Cutting area flat 90°: 170 x 100 mm Sawing area flat 45°: 120 x 100 mm Cutting area round: 120 mm Pneumatic Saw Blade Feed Hodpjznxg Nefx Akronu Coolant pump / minimum quantity spray device Pneumatic material clamping Presented for sawing of stainless steel Length stop with automatic positioning up to 6200 mm Roller conveyor with 1000 mm left Weight: approx. 800 kg

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, Used semi-automatic swivelling frame band saw, KASTOmicut U2.6, MFG: 2023, serial number: 6153102136, excellent condition, very little used, it will be delivered with the two rollers from the pictures. Universal, semi-automatic band sawing machine of very robust construction, designed for the rough use in workshops and capable to perform any cutting-to-length or miter cutting tasks (-45°/+60°) in the case of tubes, profiles and solid material. The infinitely adjustable cutting speed and the infinitely adjustable fully hydraulic cutting feed allow a sensitive and blade-saving cutting. Technical Data Cutting range 90° round: 260 mm Cutting range 90° flat (W x H): 310 x 260 mm Dimensions (L x W): 760 x 1620 mm Height, saw head lowered position: 1690 mm Height, saw head in highest position: 2040 mm Material support height: 950 mm Total weight: 510 kg Performance characteristics Total power: 2.0 kW Saw motor, power – frequency controlled: 1.5 kW Cutting speed infinitely variable – frequency controlled min 20 – 110 m/min Dimensions of saw blade: 3180 x 27 x 0.9 mm Saw blade guides: lateral guiding rollers and back slide bearings, interchangeable Material clamping: mechanical Cutting feed: hydraulic, infinitely variable Saw blade tension: mechanical Saw blade cleaning: by synchronously running, easy to interchange brush Electrical equipment: in accordance with DIN EN 60204. Supply voltage 440 Volt, 60 Hz. Control voltage 24 Volt, DC. Upon request other voltages at additional cost. Working Cycle (Semi-Automatic) Infinitely variable and fully hydraulic saw feed control Rotary table serving as material support Horizontal vice with quick adjustment and hydraulic short stroke Infinitely variable cutting speed 20 – 110 m/min via frequency regulated drive Coolant system with two coolant nozzles Automatic switch-off after end of cut and return stroke of the saw head by approx. 100 mm Infinitely variable mitre adjustment (-45° to + 60°) Infinitely variable saw blade arm adjustment Electrical protection of the saw blade covers (accident prevention rules) Synchronously running chip removal brush Glue anchors to dowel the machine Bi-metal saw blade, 4 - 6 teeth per inch Operating instructions manual according to the EU Machinery Directive and EN 82079 Price: 14.900 Euro + VAT, negotiable, FCA Oradea/Romania Irrtum, Anderungen und Zwischenverkauf vorbehalten / Subject to errors, changes and prior sale / Ne rezervăm dreptul la greșeli, modificări și vânzare prealabila. Hnjdpfsvyl Ihex Akreu We speak English. /Wir sprechen Deutsch./ Beszélünk magyarul. /Nous parlons français/Vorbim romana

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2014, Manufacturer: Henrik WINTER HOLZTECHNIK GmbH (Leipzig, Germany) Model / type: SAWMAX 600 Year of manufacture: 2014 Serial number: 130705-28 Power supply: 3×400 V, 50 Hz Maximum power: 1.69 kW Weight: 650 kg Hnedpfx Asw R E Slokreu Certificate: CE

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, New Cursal log splitting line for firewood – available IMMEDIATELY, instead of a 6-month lead time. A new TRV 1600L 700 ordered today directly from Cursal s.r.l. currently has a manufacturing lead time of 5 and a half to 6 months. This specific line, ordered in February 2026, is nearing completion and will be available immediately, ex-works from the Cursal factory in San Fior, Italy. Same price as a new order from the factory: €59,590, but without the 6-month wait. For a firewood producer, this means the line can be operational before the next winter season, rather than after. We ordered this line for our own production, but a change in our manufacturing process means it no longer fits our needs. It has never been delivered, installed, or operated outside the factory. * Full 12-month manufacturer's warranty from the date of delivery * CE certification * Collection directly ex-works in Italy, avoiding double transport * User manual and video tutorial included – over 90% of these machines are installed by the customers themselves * Optional installation by a Cursal technician available for approximately €2,250 ### Scope of supply Cursal order confirmation no. 2-01407/26 #### 1 × CURSAL TRV 1600L 700 Hnsdezm Twyjpfx Akrsu Log splitting saw for bulk-loaded firewood of varying lengths * 15 HP blade motor with automatic braking and computer-controlled cutting * Adjustable cutting time from 0.6 to 2 seconds * Pneumatic blade movement * Piece length at entry: from 500 to 6,000 mm * Programmable cutting length: from 100 to 750 mm * Maximum cutting height at the blade center: 200 mm * Maximum width at the base: 520 mm * Feed speed up to 50 m/min * Variable speed motor * Pneumatic press with 6 independent toothed elements * Press stroke: 250 mm * 2 sawdust extraction ducts of Ø 100 to 140 mm * Complete side guards * Dimensions: 2,500 × 1,200 × 2,050 mm #### 1 × RAMM 4000 × 710 Motorized roller feed conveyor * 0.75 HP motor * Variable speed from 5 to 50 m/min * Galvanized rollers Ø 76 mm * Roller pitch: 125/250 mm * Capacity: 420 kg per roller * Lateral retaining barriers * Length: 4,000 mm #### 1 × HM 700-40-80 Widia® blade * Diameter: 700 mm * Bore: 40 mm * Number of teeth: Z 80/84 ### Power supply * Electrical power supply: 400 V three-phase / 50 Hz * Protection rating: IP54 * Compressed air: 7 bar Ideal machine for firewood producers, sawmills, and biomass plants. With the winter demand approaching, this is the only opportunity to have a new, operational Cursal line available this season. Location: ex-works Cursal, San Fior (TV), Italy. Delivery can be arranged.

Condition: new, 230 mm 230 x 230 mm saw band length 2950 x 27 x 0,9 mm band speed 15 - 100 m/min total power requirement 2,2 kW weight of the machine ca. 1,2 t SHARK 230-1 NC HS 5.0, electro-hydraulic two-column fully automatic band saw with semi-automatic function for 0° cuts of mild steel, stainless steel, Steel alloys, solid and profile material, with a maximum remaining piece length of 60 mm. - The cross section is max. 230x230 mm. - Numerically controlled band saw machines with the new, specially designed by MEP developed for Automatic Windows “CE” based E FEATURES: - User interface with 7” touch screen display and mechanical buttons for the operating functions of the sawing machine, guaranteed reliable Operation, simple and intuitive, and real-time control of all Cutting parameters. - Safety enclosure in accordance with the latest safety regulations Machinery Directive EN 13898/2007. - New fieldbus communication system with double microprocessor Serial connection. - Robust cast iron structure (G25) to compensate for vibrations Hnsdefg E Hyopfx Akreu Improve machine stability and protect the saw band

Condition: new, cutting diameter 300 mm saw band length 3320 x 27 x 0,9 mm mm cutting width 300 mm Control NC capacity 90 degrees: flat 330x 260 mm capacity 90 degrees: square 260 x 260 mm capacity 45 degrees: square 250 mm capacity 45 degrees: flat 270 x 200 mm capacity 60 degrees: round 180 mm capacity 60 degrees: square 170 mm band speed 15 - 100 m/min total power requirement 2,2 kW weight of the machine ca. 1,1 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3,3 x 2,83 x 2,23 m Furnishing: Hodsfg E H Eepfx Akrjnu - fully automatic electro-hydraulic band saw with additional semi-automatic, semi-automatic-dynamic and manual operation - Automatic cycle (cuts from 0° to 60° left) - Semi-automatic, semi-automatic-dynamic and manual cycle (cuts from 45° right to 60° left) - Manual or semi-automatic dynamic cycle to make cuts outside of series production can be carried out directly without programming. - Numerically controlled band saw machines with the new, especially from MEP Windows CE based controller developed for automatic machines. - User interface with touch screen display of 7 and mechanical buttons for the operating functions of the sawing machine. - Stepless regulation of the cutting speed from 15 to 100 m/min Frequency converter (inverter). - Material feed with stepper motor via ball screw - which is mounted on opposite ball bearings; Single stroke 600 mm - repeatable to cut to any length. - Automatic monitoring of cutting load - through a servo valve mounted directly on the cylinder. - The coolant pan is installed in the base frame - Chip clearing brush. - Bimetal saw band for solid and profile material. - Tools and instructions for use with a list of spare parts

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2021, UK's Best Selling Automatic Crosscut Saw Built to meet the precise standards of fine joinery while embodying the robust quality of a sawmill, the globally acclaimed TR500 saw unit boasts a distinguished history of over 400 installations in the UK and over 50 years of industry use. A key component within the TR platform, the TR500 stands out with its ever-present 7.5kW saw motor - a consistent feature across the entire Stromab range. Its variable speed cutting cycle allows the precise cutting of softwoods or hardwoods, accommodating dimensions of up to 135mm in height or 360mm in width, all managed by a single top clamping unit. Infeed: The industry standard rack and pinion system featured through the Stromab range allows timber lengths of up to 14m and up to 90kg to be push fed without additional rollers. Featuring a table incline of 8 degrees, automatic lifting pusher system and a positioning accuracy of 0.4mm, the Stromab Matrix powers through your repetitive and bulk cutting requirements. Controller: Harnessing the power of an ELCO Top 12 colour touch screen, cutting lists are simple to programme using the innovative optimisation methods: BASE with board sequence, max length, or sequence. OPTI with base features and volume, minimum waste or priority. Alternatively, use our 'Design2Saw' software to pre-optimise files for the highest yield savings, loaded quickly via USB to reduce operator programming time. Specification Saw Unit: 7.5kw saw motor 500mm diameter saw blade 135mm x 120mm cutting height 360mm x 55mm cutting width Infeed & Outfeed: 90m/min positioning speed 0.4mm positioning accuracy 8 degree incline on table Servo driven rack & pinion 1m outfeed table as standard Automatic lifting of pusher arm Controller Elco TOP12 12" industrial touch screen PC 3 optimisation criteria - longest length, sequence & board sequence Fitted with the following options - 6000 mm in feed capacity Pneumatic lifting of pusher 10 hp saw motor Ø500 mm saw blade Opti version with full optimisation and board length reading Defect reading camera ( chalk mark reading ) Hnsdpfx Aozd Uqcskrju

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, Fully automatic KESMAK KMS280V band saw for tube and bar material. This is a new machine from 2022 which has only served as a show model at trade fairs. The sawing machine has been developed for fully automatic cutting of tube or bar from Ø10 - Ø135MM as well as bundles. Hnodpjwhcmijfx Akreu Complete with chip discharge (screw conveyor) and feed conveyor.