Used Water Softener for sale (8,467)

Condition: good (used), 12V, 50Hz, 5A Application: Water treatment plant Width: 175 mm Height: 125 mm Depth: 75 mm Weight: 548 g Condition: good, second-hand Ljdozddbljpfx Ahasah

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2025, This is an external, dual-chamber water softening system manufactured by Hobart, model Hydroline Protect SD-H, year of manufacture 2025. The system has undergone a fresh inspection in our in-house workshop and is fully functional. The list price is €2,395 net / €2,850.05 gross. Our price: used, year of manufacture 2025: €1,290 net / €1,535 gross. Our used equipment service for you: 6-month warranty on all electrical parts, limited to the replacement of defective parts, excluding installation and removal costs. High-quality branded equipment at fair prices. Professional overhaul/inspection and expert cleaning. Tested and fully functional – or your money back. Flexible shipping or self-collection options. Competent advice – before and after purchase. Provision of operating manuals, connection diagrams & spare parts. Testing according to DGUV V3. Technical data: Dimensions: W x D x H: 360 x 360 x 585 mm Weight with/without packaging: 21/19 kg Maximum water hardness: 40°dH Salt tank capacity: 20 kg Salt consumption per regeneration: 0.5 kg Continuous flow rate: 2-20 L/min Temperature: min. 2 / max. 65°C Condition: used, inspected, fully functional. Customer benefits: Optimally protects all downstream machines from limescale - extends maintenance intervals and service life. Cost-effective, external water softening system. Compact dimensions, removable castors. No power connection required. The system is regenerated in parallel with the rinsing process. The water softening system provides softened water 24 hours a day. Lodpfx Ahozt Idneasah Basic model: A high-quality ion exchanger removes the limescale-forming minerals from the water and adds water-soluble sodium salt in an exchange process. The total hardness of the raw water is thereby reduced to 0°dH. The water softening system consists of a pressure-resistant and corrosion-resistant tank. Tank material: plastic. Shipping: Delivery or self-collection by arrangement. Worldwide shipping on request. Shipping to islands or mountain stations only by arrangement. Subject to change and errors. Do you have any questions, would you like advice, or would you like to see something on site? You can reach us by telephone during our opening hours: Monday to Friday, 9:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. and 2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. The sale is exclusively subject to our general terms and conditions (GTC).

Condition: used, Veolia Water System, Model - Orion 2000 Orion™ is a skid-mounted, multi-technology purified water production system. Offering softening, reverse osmosis and continuous electrodeionization (CEDI) technologies that can be fully or partially hot water sanitized. Ideal for use as a pharmaceutical water system for the generation of purified water. Ledpfx Aoz Ic T Rohasah Orion is digitally-enabled to offer the ability to remotely monitor any parameters you want.

Condition: used, Additional title: with automatic regeneration Nominal flow: 9800 l/h Pressure working area: 6 bar pressure class: 8,5 bar Operating temperature: 25 °C Ambient temperature: 35 °C Current: 0,35 A Voltage: 230 V Laodpew Tbunjfx Ahaoh Frequency: 50 Hz Weight: 390 kg Features: 2 x softening tanks (resin-filled); brine tank; valves and pipes

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2015, Electronically controlled dual system for softening particle-free water. With two pressurised tanks made of GRP. Freely adjustable cycles with time or quantity-controlled regeneration. With brine tank. Additional title: Double system with GRP tanks, Softening with a resin ion exchanger Operating pressure: 8 bar Laodpsw U D S Esfx Ahaoh Operating temperature: 40 °C Voltage: 230 V Frequency: 50 Hz Material: vessels from GFK Features: Pre-filter, valve block, water meter, 2 x GRP tanks, various hoses

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2020, operating hours: 2 h, functionality: unexamined, machine/vehicle number: HY-1000LPH, input voltage: 220 V, total height: 2,000 mm, total width: 1,000 mm, total length: 2,300 mm, energy consumption: 4 kWh, Equipment: documentation/manual, Reverse osmosis unit, purchased in 2020, and only tested once in 2024. Lajdpoz Iqrnsfx Ahash The machine is being sold as is.

Condition: good (used), Water softener, water softener tank -Bank: approx. 200 liters -Incl. Regeneration salt for water softeners -Dimensions: 640/640/H880 mm Lsdpfx Ajctla Dehajah -Weight: 172 kg

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2020, functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 400 V, type of input current: three-phase, temperature: 35 °C, operating pressure: 75 bar, energy consumption: 64 kWh, Industrial plant for the treatment and concentration of process water as well as for nutrient recovery. The plant combines a double-pass reverse osmosis (RO) system with a thermal evaporator unit and was originally developed for biogas production to recover ammonium-containing fertilizer from process water and digestate. The plant was never commissioned due to the operator's insolvency and is in a preserved condition. The system is suitable for operators from the industrial, environmental technology, or agricultural sectors who are looking for a rapidly available solution for water treatment, ZLD (Zero Liquid Discharge), or nutrient recovery. Technical data System type: RO Double Pass + Evaporator Model: SIMPEC RO Double Pass 8000 44 8 Evaporator 57 000 Year of construction: 2020 Lodsyr H Anopfx Ahasah Permeate output: Stage 1: 7.5 m³/h Stage 2: 6.7 m³/h Permeate quality:

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, machine/vehicle number: 9558, Used fully functional WJS waterjet cutting machine with KMT SLIV 50 HP pump. Lajdpfx Asi Hckrjhaeh Machine is in disassembled condition and can not be inspected. Installation and commissioning will be done by us and is not included in the price. The machine can also be completely overhauled ( new control cabinet, new control and new CE. This would mean a surcharge of about 50.000€)

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2020, operating hours: 250 h, functionality: fully functional, 1.1 TECHNICAL DATA 1 x Waterjet cutting machine, NCP 4020 D 1 x FANUC 31iB d 1 x IGEMS Professional 1 x BevelJet cutting heads for AWJ abrasive waterjet cutting 1 x Fixed cutting heads for AWJ abrasive waterjet cutting 2 x SM3000 feed systems 1 x KMT, Jetline 50 HP, 3.8 l/min, 4100 bar 1 x Cooling unit control cabinet 1 x Hose reel with spray nozzle 1 x Tool kit 1 x Machine zone safety guard 1 x PanelOne HMI operator interface "EDGECUT" 1 x Remote control for high-pressure pump 1 x Remote maintenance system 2 x Diaphragm pumps and 2 x extraction units 1 x Waste container 1000 l 1 x Pressure vessel 200 l or 2-ton abrasive online conveyor/online abrasive hopper 1 x Head protection package (zero-point measurement head 1) 1 x IGEMS 5X CAM 1 x MPG, portable handheld pendant 1 x Rotary unit SS (chuck 240 mm) Price €21,000 1.1.1 MACHINE DATA Table size (W x D): 4200 x 2275 mm - Machining area (W x D): 3980 x 2010 mm - X-axis travel 2D: 3530 mm - X-axis travel 3D: 3220 mm - Y-axis travel 2D: 2010 mm - Y-axis travel 3D: 1405 mm - Z-axis travel: 250 mm - Positioning accuracy (X/Y): +/- 0.050 mm/m - Repeatability (X/Y): +/- 0.025 mm - Rapid traverse (X-axis): 30,000 mm/min - Rapid traverse (Y): 15,000 mm/min - Rapid traverse (Z): 5,000 mm/min - Minimum distance between nozzles: 450 mm Lajdpfoxgua Asx Ahajh - Maximum distance between nozzles: 2,010 mm 1.2 CONNECTION DATA 1.2.1 MACHINE CONNECTION • Electrical connection: 3 x 400 V+PE, 16 A, 50 Hz • Pneumatic supply volume (incl. pressure vessel): 500 l/min • Pneumatic supply pressure: min. 6.5 bar 1.2.2 HP PUMP DATA/CONNECTION HP pump data: - KMT 50, Jetline, 4100 bar - 37 kW, circuit breaker at 400/50 Hz, 80 A CAD/CAM software: - IGEMS Professional

Condition: used, High-capacity industrial water treatment, filtration, and pressure boosting plant. This comprehensive system is composed of premium-tier components, primarily powered by high-efficiency Grundfos pumping stations and modular multi-port filtration vessels.The system is suited for manufacturing facilities, municipal water networks, food & beverage industries, closed-loop cooling systems, or large commercial properties. The Package Includes: 1. High-Pressure Vertical Multistage Pumps:Grundfos CR15-12 A-F-A-E-HQQE (Quantity: 1 units) 2. End-Suction Centrifugal Pumps:Grundfos NBE40-160/158 A-F2-A-BQQE ((Quantity: 4 units on the pallet) 3. Filtration & Water Softening Unit:Multi-cylinder battery consisting of large blue composite pressure vessels (FRP tanks) for media filtration, iron removal, or water softening. 4. 2 units x Grundfos (Vertical Multistage Pumps). Ljdpfx Ahsz Ahh Seasah Condition: Used, as shown on photos. Stored in a dry indoor facility.

Condition: used, This listing is for the Grant GD120 Water Bath/Circulator The unit is in full working condition and is ready for immediate use The Grant GD120 is a digitally controlled stirred water bath and circulator ideal for laboratory use, offering high precision and flexibility. Here's a breakdown of its features and capabilities: Key Features Immersion Thermostat with Intelligent Control Optimisation (ICO): Enables adaptive PID control for exceptionally stable temperature regulation. Integral Pump: Built-in circulation pump with a maximum flow rate of 17 L/min, allowing both sample immersion and external fluid circulation. User Interface: Equipped with a clear digital display, a rotor plus two-key control, timer function for reaction timing, and visual + audible alarms to notify operators of critical conditions. Lasdpjxhfl Eefx Ahajh Preset Temperature Control: Supports one adjustable operating setpoint plus three preset temperature options for fast switching. Safety Features: Includes float-switch low liquid protection and an adjustable over-temperature cut-out for sample and user safety. Liquid Type Selection: Automatically adjusts heater power and temperature parameters depending on chosen liquid (e.g., water, oil, glycol mixtures). Temperature Range & Accuracy Plastic Tanks (P-series): From around ambient +5 °C up to ~99 °C. Stainless Steel Tanks (S-series): From –15 °C up to ~120 °C. High Stability: ±0.02 °C for stable temperature control. Technical Specifications & Obsolescence The GD120 series includes multiple tank sizes: plastic tanks (P5, P12, P18) and stainless steel tanks (S5, S12, S18, S26, S38), offering varied capacities for different lab needs. This series is now considered obsolete, though it remains functional and reliable for many applications. Supporting Documentation & Manual Operating Manual: The GD120 is covered by the general purpose stirred thermostatic baths manual (shared with GD100), outlining temperature settings, calibration procedures, safety guidance, and maintenance. Datasheet Summary: Positioned within the broader Grant Optima product range, the GD120 sits between simpler (GD100, up to 100 °C) and higher-spec models (GR150 up to 150 °C, GP200 up to 200 °C)

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2006, table length: 3,500 mm, table width: 1,500 mm, Pictures are in current condition - two Z-axes - 1 x 45° Schnedikopf , 1 x 2D - control unit will be renewed - will be sandblasted and repainted - pump optionally available - available in 12-16 weeks after order Lasdpfenab Rzox Ahash Special features: - individually customizable to customer requirements - 12 months or 2,000 hours warranty (not on spare and wear parts) We offer a discount when concluding a maintenance or service contract! Contact us and we will make you a customized offer!

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 1999, - two cutting heads - control unit is renewed - will be sandblasted and repainted - Pump optionally available - available in 12-16 weeks after order Special features - individually customizable to customer requirements - 12 months or 2,000 hours warranty (not on spare and wear parts) We offer a discount when concluding a maintenance or service contract! Contact us and we will make you a customized offer! Laodenab Siepfx Ahajh

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2000, table length: 1,000 mm, table width: 1,000 mm, operating pressure: 3,800 bar, (Pictures in current state) - prepared for two cutting heads (1x pure water) - Control unit will be renewed - will be sandblasted and repainted - Pump optionally available - available after order in 12-16 weeks Special features: - max. two cutting heads per Z-axis - Can be individually adapted to customer requirements Laodpfx Ahsnab Rlsaeh - 12 months or 2,000 hours warranty (not on spare and wear parts) We offer a discount when concluding a maintenance or service contract! Contact us and we will make you a customized offer!

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2005, functionality: fully functional, 1. Waterjet cutting system with accessories, year of manufacture 2005, machine number: 95 246, Model 4060D, including: 2. Machine details: - NC 4060 D (Duplex with 6 cutting heads for abrasive cutting) - 1 x cutting table: 4200 x 6700 mm - X-axis travel: 2750 mm - Y-axis travel: 6470 mm - Z-axis travel (height): 250 mm - Positioning accuracy (X/Y): +/- 0.075 mm/m - Repeatability (X/Y): +/- 0.05 mm - Feed rate X: 10,000 mm/min - Feed rate Y: 10,000 mm/min - Feed rate Z: 4,000 mm/min Technical specifications: - 1 x Fanuc GE 300 i (NANO CNC) SYSTEM Control functions • 15-inch color LCD display (resolution 1024 x 768) • Machine control panel • 1.5 GHz Pentium III processor • Vertical and horizontal soft key bars • Slim operator panel with QWERTY keyboard • 40 GB program storage (hard disk) • 2 MB RAM for part programs • Windows 2000/XP operating system • Hand-held control unit (remote control) for easy axis positioning – 1 x MPG unit – 6 x WJS standard cutting heads mounted on holders (2 x 3 pieces) – 6 x SM 3000 abrasive metering units – 1 x IGEMS Standard or Professional – 1 x documentation – 2 x abrasive storage tanks, 1,500 l each – 1 x sludge removal system, 3 x diaphragm pumps – 1 x wastewater tank 1,500 l – 1 x cascade tank – 1 x new stainless-steel cutting tank (4 x 6.7 m) - 10 m high-pressure hoses with fittings - 1 x KMT high-pressure pump, 100 HP, 4,100 bar, only 9,500 operating hours Lsdexgumcspfx Ahasah - Installation and maintenance by WJS personnel Machine connections: Electrical connection: 3 x 400 V+N+PE, 25 A, 50 Hz Compressed air supply: 600 l/min Air pressure (technically dried): 6.5 bar

Year of construction: 2018, condition: used, x-travel 4000 mm y-travel 2000 mm z-travel mm 4000 bar total power requirement 35 kW weight of the machine ca. t dimensions of the machine ca. m MicroStep CNC water jet cutting system AquaCut-W 4001.20 with the following features: • BFT high pressure pump ECOTRON ® 40.37 • Desludging system (scraper conveyor) for a length of 4,000 mm • Water softening using water chemistry 1. MicroStep CNC guide machine AquaCut-W 4001.20 (4,000 x 2,000 mm} MicroStep® machine control with MML console and 24 "touchscreen Two LCD operating units on the portal Laser pointer with automatic offset transmission iMSNC® module / expert system iMSNC® module / assistant for service and maintenance work iMSNC® module / assistant for loading CNC programs iMSNC ® module / automatic calibration of mechanical scanning iMSNC® module / management of cutting programs (MRP} iMSNC® module / Ecolnfo iMSNC® module / machine info iMSNC® module / user management "AsperWin Basic" programming system for programming directly on the Machine control "AsperWin Select" macro library module Mod ul NC simulator "AsperWin NC-Sim" 2. USB 3.0 connection option for storage medium 3. Remote maintenance module MicroStep RemoteDiagnostics® Remote maintenance access through TeamViewer 4. Water jet cutting table with grate support / 4,000 x 2,000 mm Working area 5. Automatic height control for the water jet cutting head 6. BFT high pressure pump ECOTRON ® 40.37 7. Automatic pump control 8. Allfi® cutting head type IV (1 piece) 9. Allfi® abrasive head CENTERLINE type II "Long Life" (1 piece) 10. Allfi® abrasive dosing system 11. Allfi® abrasive conveyor system type II 12. Automatic abrasive dosing via the CNC control 13. High pressure installation material for connecting the high pressure pump to the existing water network 14. Error messages via SMS via the iMSNC control 15. GSM modem for the iMSNC control 16. Double-sided rope protection (collision protection) over the portal bridge Emergency stop switch 17. Desludging plant (scraper conveyor) for a length of 4,000 mm Lodpfx Aeg N Nlvohasah 18. Water stabilization by means of a metering device and addition of Water chemistry 19. Water chemistry WI N2054Si 20. CAM software "AsperWin Basic" for programming

Condition: used, Grundfos Vertical Water Pump Complete with isolator valve Power isolator switch 1.5 kw 5.7 m3/hr Ljdpfez E Nhvox Ahaeah H max 60m

Condition: good (used), functionality: fully functional, Year of construction: 2002, • 4 new EDI cells MK3 are available. • 7 EDI stations, each with 4 EDI cells MK3, will be dismantled. Laedpfx Ahewy Uu Aoash

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, LG WATER SOLUTIONS LG SW 400 GR REVERSE OSMOSIS MEMBRANES – 36 UNITS Ledjzvlrzepfx Ahaoah Lot of 36 new and unused LG Water Solutions reverse osmosis membrane elements. All units remain sealed and originate from the surplus spare-parts stock of a PET manufacturing plant. TECHNICAL DATA Manufacturer: LG Water Solutions Model: LG SW 400 GR Equipment type: Reverse osmosis membrane elements Application: Seawater reverse osmosis (SWRO) Dimensions: 8 × 40 inches Certification: NSF certified Quantity available: 36 units Condition: New, unused and sealed Origin: Surplus spare-parts stock from a PET manufacturing plant

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2013, machine/vehicle number: LC685, Used DC GF 3-in-1 filling line, sparking water 6000 BPH, Year 2013Technical Specifications & Performance DataThis used bottling line is configured for PET bottle production and beverage filling, combining a linear blow molding machine, high-pressure compressed-air equipment, an integrated rinsing, filling and capping monoblock, labeling, coding, saturation and shrink-wrapping equipment. The line is designed for industrial packaging of carbonated, oxygenated and non-carbonated beverages.Blow molding capacity: 1,000–2,000 bphFilling monoblock capacity: 4,000–6,000 bph at 0.33LSupported bottle formats: 0.33L, 0.5L and 1.5LContainer material: PET bottles with PCO neck finishComplete line footprint: approximately 11 m × 6 mBlow molder configuration: linear, 2 cavities, 20–50 g preformsFilling monoblock: 18 rinsing stations, 18 filling valves and 6 capping headsAdvanced Automation & Control SystemsThe line includes Mitsubishi PLC control for the filling and handling process. The filling monoblock uses an electronic filling system and operates with clockwise bottle movement. Safety functions are fitted on the blow molding machine, compressor and filling monoblock, while safety covers are included for the complete line.Electrical supply for the blow molder and compressor: 400 V, 15 kW, 50 HzElectrical supply for the filling monoblock: 400 V, 3.5 kW, 50 HzElectronic non-isobaric filling systemPCO 32 and PCO 28 cap compatibilityIntegrated HS-Datu dating unit for production codingProduction Line Integration CapabilitiesThis complete PET bottling line follows a practical process flow from bottle forming through filling, labeling and secondary packaging. The linear blower is supplied with a preform feeder, preform tipper, 30 bar three-stage compressor, cooling dryer and air filter. Downstream equipment includes a self-adhesive labeling machine, vacuum saturator, conveyor system and automatic shrink film wrapper.Machine typeManufacturer / modelYearBlow Molding MachineECENG MACHINERY Co. Ltd.2010CompressorChina2010Filling MonoblockDC GF 3-in-12013SaturatorVacuum saturatorLabeling MachineSelf-adhesive labelerShrink Wrap... Lodpfxo Adyt Te Ahaoah

Condition: used, functionality: fully functional, mileage: 34,000 km, power: 161.81 kW (220.00 HP), axle configuration: 4x4, fuel: diesel, Year of construction: 1995, Equipment: additional headlights, all wheel drive, trailer coupling, Are you looking for a reliable and affordable emergency vehicle for your fire department? Then you have come to the right place! From our immediately available stock of used vehicles, we offer: Water Tank Firefighting Vehicle TLF 16/25 ALL-WHEEL DRIVE 4x4 Magirus on IVECO 135E22 The TLF 16/25 is the proven combination of the advantages of crew fire engines and water tank firefighting vehicles. With a squad crew and ample space for firefighting and rescue equipment, the vehicle is prepared for most operational scenarios. General Data: • Year of manufacture: 1995 • Mileage: approx. 34,000 km Lasdpfxexk T Efo Ahaoh Chassis: • IVECO 135E22 4x4 with 220 HP (159 kW) • Diesel engine with manual transmission Cab: • Standard, spacious crew cab (1+5) in RAL 3000 (fire red) • Mounts for 2 self-contained breathing apparatus in the crew compartment Bodywork: • Manufacturer Magirus Eurofire • TLF 16/25 body according to DIN standards • Three large lateral equipment compartments each side • Extendable steps for the front side equipment compartments • Brackets for standard equipment load • Mounts for 2 additional breathing apparatus • Roof compartment Fire Pump / Water Tank: • Magirus FPN 1600-8 centrifugal fire pump • Capacity 1,600 l/min at 8 bar • Water tank 2,600 l Firefighting Equipment: • Fixed rapid action hose reel, 50 m, in upper compartment G6 Safety and Lighting: • 2 rotating beacons at the front and 1 at the rear • Pneumatic special signal system (Martin horn) • Rear-view camera • Hygiene board available on request We are happy to provide you with a specific offer and can present the vehicle to you in detail at our premises in Berlin. All information is provided to the best of our knowledge and belief, without guarantee of completeness or accuracy. This advertisement does not constitute an offer, but is for information purposes only. Subject to prior sale!

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1996, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, We offer an very special development line of water transfer printing with complete know how of CUBIC - JAPAN EQUIPMENT CAN BE USED FOR ALL KIND MATERIALS, PLASTIC, WOOD, METAL AND OTHER.... Specifications Manufacturer COLOR DEC Model ITALY-CUBIC LAB 2000 Year 1996 Condition Used COMPLETE CUBIC PLANT- 3D WATER TRANSFER PRINTING EQUIPMENT LOOK ATTACHED PHOTOS Include complete production equipment for 3D watertransfer print. -washing machine -transport system for clean room -clean room humidity device -storage for the CUBIC FILMS - heating-drying cabine for lack drying -bath with halfautomatic floating system- possiblle to make more parts at once, depende from the size of printing parts Laodsvk Ev Hepfx Ahaoh Equipment is in perfect working condition, ready to use. FOR ADDITIONAL PHOTOS WE CAN SEND BY EMAIL. ALL DOCUMENTATION WILL BE PRESENT TO BUYER.

Condition: excellent (used), Stainless steel ice cube machine 220 V 75 kg/day, nuggets, 32 kg storage container, air cooling 640 x 600 x 800 mm (W x D x H) Includes Britta water filter Purity 1200 Steam Ljdpfxj Ab E Svo Ahajah These filter cartridges reduce the carbonate hardness in tap water, thus preventing limescale deposits in the machine. In addition, heavy metal ions such as lead and copper, turbidity, organic contaminants, and other odor-causing substances such as chlorine residues are filtered out.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2024, For sale: Professional water treatment and preparation unit – UWS Heaty Profiline 100 No 2. This is a mobile device designed for use in heating systems, water installations, and HVAC service. Perfect for flushing, filling, and treating installations. Equipment is in excellent technical condition, fully complete and ready for operation. ⚙️ Technical data: Manufacturer: UWS Technologie GmbH Model: Heaty Profiline 100 No 2 Year of manufacture: 2024 Power supply: 230 V / 50–60 Hz Lasdpoz Smqdefx Ahajh Power: 0.5 kW Weight: approx. 59 kg Max. operating temperature: 80°C Max. pressure: 6 bar 🔧 Equipment features: - Integrated tank - High-quality EBARA pump - Flow meters - Pressure gauges - Control valves - Mobile transport trolley - Documentation and accessories (as seen in the photos) 🔍 Condition: - Used device - Very good technical condition - Minor, normal signs of use - Fully complete ⚠️ Remarks: - One pressure gauge has a damaged housing/cover (visible in the photos) - Operation of this pressure gauge has not been checked - The part can be easily replaced if needed 📦 Applications: - Heating installations - Water installations - Service and cleaning of installations - HVAC systems 🚚 Delivery: - Pallet shipping available - Collection in person possible