Used Hess Cup Hinge Boring Machine Type V for sale (101,586)

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2012, input voltage: 400 V, conveyor belt width: 850 mm, total width: 1,650 mm, total length: 8,100 mm, total height: 2,050 mm, For sale: Very well-maintained Midrange Croissant machine from Rademaker Brand: Rademaker Included: - Mould unit - V Moulder - Conveyor - Midrange Croissant machine Year of manufacture: 2012 Conveyor belts year: 2017 Documentation / electrical diagrams available Full pallet with spare parts Operating hours: 9,153 hours Capacity: approx. 7,200 pieces per hour Belt width: 850 mm It is possible to inspect the machine at our location. Njdpfxjxzt Ris Agrswl If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact us. Transport by arrangement. Kind regards, Leo Holland

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: ZCVS250, total width: 1,100 mm, total height: 950 mm, overall weight: 350 kg, input voltage: 380 V, warranty duration: 24 months, nominal power: 1.13 kW (1.54 HP), power: 1.13 kW (1.54 HP), workpiece width (max.): 190 mm, workpiece length (max.): 190 mm, Equipment: CE marking, ZCVS 250 CIRCULAR TYPE OF VIBRATORY MACHINE * Net 250 liter volume (Capacity between 125lt to 1250lt is available up to request) * Highly wear resistant P.U.Lining (90 Shore) * Dosing pump included. * Changeable valf for the wastewater decharging *According to requested diameter size for seperator MOTOR: * High performance three phase current drive motor. * 1,1 kW 1500 rpm (Italian OLI) * The motor is lubrication free. You don’t need motor lubrication. Nwedpfxorkmv Sj Agrjl CONTROL PANEL: * Main switch and emergency stop switch. * Timer and working hours timer * Control box with switch for engine right/left running * CE safety standard PAINTING: *Colour in RAL 5003 & RAL 7001 *Epoxy paint is used to ensure long life of the paint.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2014, functionality: fully functional, Horizontal boring and milling machine with a cross-bed design Brand: UNION / Type: KR150 / Year of manufacture: 2014 The machine can be inspected under power by prior appointment. In good working order / ready for use. Operating hours (September 24, 2026): - Control on: 39.742 h - Machine on: 33.941 h - Program run: 12.260 h TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS: WORKING AREA Travels: - X-axis (Cross slide): 3.200 mm - Y-axis (Headstock): 2.500 mm - Z-axis (Support beam): 1.000 mm - V-axis (Column slide, integrated into the control system): 1.500 mm - W-axis (Spindle): 700 mm - B-axis (Rotary table): 360° The RAM is hydraulically balanced/compensated by the control system. Spindle: - Spindle diameter: 150 mm - Rotational speed max.: 3.000 rpm Nsdsz Evglopfx Agrjwl - Tool holder: SK50 - Automatic tool clamping Dimensions of the rotary table: - Clamping surface: 1.800 x 2.000 mm - Max. workpiece weight: 25 tons EQUIPMENT: - CNC control: Heidenhain iTNC 530 - Universal milling head UC-U40 - Internal and external coolant supply - Coolant lubrication system - Chip conveyor - Touch probe workpiece measurement There is no guarantee for correctness and completeness of the technical details and accessories. - Subject to prior sale - Detailed technical data sheet and information on equipment available on request.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 25-1361, total length: 775 mm, total width: 550 mm, total height: 775 mm, overall weight: 100 kg, input voltage: 380 V, warranty duration: 24 months, nominal power: 0.34 kW (0.46 HP), power: 0.35 kW (0.48 HP), workpiece length (max.): 525 mm, Equipment: CE marking, documentation/manual, emergency stop, ZTV 50 Trough type vibratory machine * Highly wear resistant P.U.Lining (90 Shore) * High performance three phase current drive motor. (Italian OLI Brand – 0,34 kW) Nedpfowb Hhdsx Agrewl * Changeable valve for the wastewater decharging * Control panel(EU Standarts) included * Main swicth and emergency stop switch. * Timer and working hours timer * CE safety standard * Dosing pump included. * The machine has noise isolation lid and metal machine cabinet - The cover is controlled by hand manually - The sound isolation cover provides significant noise reduction when the finishing process is in play. - It also curbs water or finishing compounds spillage from the vibratory finishing machine.

Condition: excellent (used), Gannomat slot mortising machine / dowel drilling machine with Leroy-Somer motor - Motor type: LS80L2 - Power: 1.1 kW - Speed: 2810 rpm - Voltage: 220/380 V - Frequency: 50 Hz - Protection class: IP54 3-phase drive - Stable work table - Precision guide rails - Adjustable stops Nwedpfxsy Saw Hj Agrel - Robust metal construction - Ideal for series production and precise wood joints – with drill and cup cutter - Air pressure must be shut off manually

Condition: used, Horizontal Boring Machine CORNAC C100 Travel X: 1000 mm Travel Y: 1000 mm Travel Z: 1260 mm Fixed table Cone: SA 50 Nsdozw Azpepfx Agrjwl Spindle: Ø 100 mm Spindle exit: 550 mm Rotation: from 10 to 1250 RPM Table size: 1550 x 980 mm Surfacing plate: Ø 520 mm Spindle motor: 9,5 kW Scale 3 axes HEIDENHAIN Automatic Feeds: X - Y - Z Supplied with a set of cones Voltage: 380 V Dimensions (L x W x H): 4500 x 2100 x 2450 mm Weight: approx 8 T

Condition: like new (used), CNC vertical jig boring machine WMW MIKROMAT Travel X: 1120 mm Travel Y: 710 mm Spindle travel Z: 315 mm Travel W: 630 mm Numerical Command: CNC NUM 1060 Spindle: Ø 125 mm Cone: SA40 Rotation: from 36 to 2240 RPM Table size: 1400 x 900 mm Distance between colums: 1080 mm Maxi distance spindle nose/table: from 0 to 900 mm max Maxi eligible load on table: 1000 kg max Separate electrical panel Machine renewed in 2000 with CN NUM1060 Voltage: 380 V Dimensions (L x W x H): 4000 x 2460 x 3030 mm Nodjzzwazspfx Agrjwl Weight: approx. 9 T

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2026, functionality: fully functional, TRI OPTIQUE Manufacturer: PELLENC Type: M 2800 BB HR Nwsdpfx Ajyy Aa Tegrol Working width: 2,800 mm Option installed in June 2024: separator for all types of metal, including stainless steel, metal sensor. New belt. The machine is capable of sorting all types of plastic by quality, all metals including stainless steel, and wood. The machine has just been serviced. Feeding system: Manufacturer: SINEX Type: MU 75 6500 Power: 2 x 3 kW Output conveyor 1: Manufacturer: RMIS Output conveyor 2: Manufacturer: ARVAL

Condition: used, Jig Boring Machine WMW BKoE 450 x 800 Njdpfozzwa Iex Agrswl Travel X: 560 mm Travel Y: 400 mm Travel Z: 470 mm Spindle: Ø 90 mm Cone: CM4 Spindle exit: 150 mm Spindle speed: from 50 to 1600 RPM Table size: 450 x 800 mm Maxi loading capacity on table: 400 kg Scale3 axes HEIDENHAIN Automatic descent Voltage: 380 V Width with ends table: 2900 mm / without ends table: 1500 mm Depth: 2500 mm Total height: 2600 mm Weight: 4,5 T

Condition: ready for operation (used), Kölsch / Beichle Uni1-Uni4 / Universal milling machine - Universal rotary table Nwedpfxoz Eyyie Agrjl - Coordinated milling paths X / Y / Z - Suitable for general milling operations and partial and full circular milling - Additional three-jaw chuck Dimensions: L x W x H 1.7 x 1 x 1.9 meters / Weight 950 kg Errors and omissions excepted.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1997, functionality: fully functional, total height: 4,000 mm, total width: 5,000 mm, total length: 5,000 mm, overall weight: 16,000 kg, ANAYAK FBZ-HV-2000 – CNC Bed Milling Machine Manufacturer: ANAYAK – Industrias Anayak S.A., Spain Nwodpfsz Epz Aex Agrsl Model: FBZ-HV-2000 Machine Type: CNC Bed Milling Machine / Universal Bed Milling Machine Year of Manufacture: 1997 Condition: Used Technical Data • Travel X: 2,000 mm • Travel Y: 935 mm • Travel Z: 1,000 mm • Table Dimensions: 900x • Spindle Taper: ISO 50 • Spindle Speed: 60 - 3000 rpm • Control System: CNC Control HEIDENHAIN TNC 426 • Feed Rate X/Y/Z: 1 - 3000 mm/min • Rapid Traverse: 10 m/min • Universal Milling Head: Yes • Coolant System: Yes • Chip Conveyor: Yes • Electrical Connection: 50 kW • Machine Weight: 16,000 kg Documentation available ANAYAK FBZ-HV-2000 CNC Bed Milling Machine, year of manufacture 1997. Working area X 2,000 mm. Inspection possible by appointment. Sale from current location.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1984, functionality: fully functional, travel distance X-axis: 760 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 370 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 335 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 5 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 5 m/min, table width: 420 mm, table length: 1,200 mm, spindle mount: MK 4, total height: 2,310 mm, total width: 1,900 mm, total length: 2,650 mm, type of input current: three-phase, rotational speed (max.): 4,000 rpm, rotational speed (min.): 40 rpm, workpiece weight (max.): 405 kg, quill travel distance: 150 mm, power: 6 kW (8.16 HP), Equipment: rotational speed infinitely variable, Type control: Heidenhein 150 System resolution: 0,001 mm Nwedpounhy Sofx Agrel Documentation for machine

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1992, functionality: unexamined, machine/vehicle number: FBZ-8732, travel distance X-axis: 2,500 mm, type of input current: three-phase, input voltage: 380 V, CNC bed-type milling machine Anayak FBZ-HV-2500 with a swiveling universal milling head, year of manufacture 1992, Fidia control system. Serial no. FBZ-8732, connection 380 V, 50 Hz, 60 A, 40 kW. Longitudinal travel X 2,500 mm, bed-type table with continuous T-slots. Equipment: Irudex chip conveyor with chip collection cart, hydraulic unit with hydraulic ring for hydraulic tool release, control panel with keyboard, safety guard with viewing window. Nwedpfx Agjz A Uitjrsl Location: Homburg (Saar), Germany. Inspection by appointment. Price on request, net plus VAT, ex works; dismantling and loading by arrangement. All information without guarantee.

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2008, Ref. -No.: 10621 Manufacturer: PAMA Type: Speedmat 3/TR16 Year of construction: 2008 Type of control: CNC-Steuerung Control: SIEMENS SINUMERIK 840 D PL Storage location: Halberstadt Country of origin: Italy X-Travel: 3500 mm Y-Travel: 2500 mm Z-Travel: 2200 mm W-Axis: 800 mm Bore Spindle Diameter: 160 mm Table Load: 12000 kg Tool Taper: ISO 50 BIG PLUS Turning Speeds: 3500 RPM Max. Torque: 2.765 Nm Rapid Travel X/Y/Z: 25000 mm / min Nsdpfx Agezc D Dwjrowl Drive Capacity - Spindle Motor: 46 kW Internal cooling: 15 / 45 bar External cooling: 50 / 4 bar Table surface: 1600 x 2000 mm Spindle speed gear stage 1: 2.120 1 / min Spindle speed gear stage 2: 2.765 1 / min Further information: Automatic tool changer SK50 DIN 69871, 80 positions. Automatic angle milling head TS 35 with 360 positions, speed 2,000 rpm and torque 2,000 Nm. Automatic universal milling head TU25C (2-axis), speed 3,000 rpm and torque 800 Nm. Automatic accessory changer, 2+1 units. Touch probe (Renishaw). The machine can be inspected under power.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1984, functionality: limited functionality, machine/vehicle number: B30157, travel distance X-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 250 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 450 mm, table length: 600 mm, table width: 380 mm, table load: 300 kg, spindle mount: MK 3, total height: 2,545 mm, total length: 1,700 mm, table height: 965 mm, total width: 1,330 mm, rapid traverse X-axis: 1 m/min, rapid traverse Y-axis: 1 m/min, rapid traverse Z-axis: 900 m/min, rotational speed (min.): 30 rpm, rotational speed (max.): 2,500 rpm, drilling capacity: 30 mm, type of input current: three-phase, quill stroke: 140 mm, quill diameter: 85 mm, spindle diameter: 100 mm, spindle motor power: 8,200 W, workpiece weight (max.): 300 kg, rotary table diameter: 200 mm, Additional specs: Resolution: 0,001mm Max. capacity of boring: 220mm Machine weight: 2500kg Additional equipment: - One rotating table with two rotating axis. Nedjungrgopfx Agrowl - Collets, clamping elements miscellaneous, tool holders. - Documentation for machine

Condition: not inspected (used), Year of construction: 2013, Bore diameter , mm Number of heads horizontal , St. Number of heads vertical , St. 2 pcs. Götzinger drilling and milling centers ----- For sale on behalf of a customer! 2 identical machines: One machine for "left" parts and one for "right" parts. The machines can also be used individually. The machines were controlled via window manufacturing software, but can also be operated via the machine software. Both machines are equipped identically: - Left and right drilling units for front-end drilling. - 3 units for drilling and milling for longitudinal machining. - Parts are loaded once, and the unit carrier then moves for the various Nedpfxev N N Sps Agrowl machining operations. Installation length per machine approx. 6 m. Individual sale possible: Price per machine 10,000 Euro See the enclosed PDFs for more information.

Condition: used, Richards PRT 2N Type Horizontal Boring Machine with Mitutoyo 3 Axis DRO (KL-Counter), Main Table size 1020mm x 760mm, Sub Table size 910mm x 910mm, Variable Height Centre, Speeds 160 - 500rpm, Bed length 1980mm to Centre, Z Axis Travel 1000mm Location: These lots are located in Andover, UK. Unfortunately, there are no loading facilities on-site, dismantling and loading will be at the cost of the purchaser. Nedpfxezy Rbve Agrjwl

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, Automatic filling and sealing machine for filling cups or containers, sealing with foil and capping with a hard plastic/hard tray lid. The rotary filling machine is suitable for various product types from liquids, pastes and powder to granular bulk materials such as yoghurt, dessert, sour cream, finger food sauces, smoothies, solid and dry foods such as rice, nuts, cereals, instant noodles and fresh foods such as sauerkraut, etc. The dosing unit is selected accordingly. The Shape, dimensions and material of the cups and lids can be customized (within the range). Automatic operation from feeding of cups, filling, opening of cups, sealing with film, capping with a lid and outfeed of the cups / containers. - Specifications: max. speed of the machine in neutral: 50 cycles/minute; filling volume: customized; cup/container dimensions: customized; number of filling heads: max. 2; product contact parts made from SUS 304; current: 220/380 V, 3kW; machine dimensions: approx. L1200xW1200xH2000 mm; weight: approx. 800 kg. Nwjdpfx Agjv Nkzlersl Please note that our new prices are often below the usual used prices. Please feel free to inquire and tell us your packaging task. - Usually 30-50 different new machines are available immediately from stock. In addition, we have very short delivery times from approx. 3 weeks for customized machines. Deviations from the sample photo are possible. - All machines are available with full warranty.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, machine/vehicle number: ZCV50, ZCV 50 CIRCULAR TYPE VIBRATORY MACHINE * Net volume of 50 liters (Capacity from 20 L to 1250 L is available upon request) * Highly wear-resistant polyurethane (PU) lining (90 Shore) MOTOR: * High-performance three-phase drive motor * 0.34 kW, 1500 rpm * The motor is maintenance-free – no motor lubrication is required. Nwodpfsw Dp Eksx Agrsl CONTROL PANEL: * Main switch and emergency stop switch * Timer and working hours counter * Control box with switch for motor right/left rotation * CE safety standard PAINTING: * Colour in RAL 5011 & RAL 7036 * Epoxy paint is used to ensure long-lasting coating durability.

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 1994, functionality: fully functional, HOFFMANN HT 200 Dowel and Slot Drilling Machine In very good condition, this machine comes from an educational institution, has been used very little, and is in absolutely like-new condition; it has only very few signs of wear. It can be used to mill slots and drill dowel holes; the drilling height can be read very precisely on a digital counter. Comes with 3 drill chucks: for drills with an M10 external thread and for drills with 12mm and 16mm shanks. With workpiece support rests on the left and right sides, which are pivotable and have a support roller. The machine has a chassis. With 2 angle stops on the machine table for left and right. The clamping arms are reversible and adjustable. 380V, 1400 and 1800W through the 2 speed ranges. 1400 and 2850 rpm. Year of manufacture: 1994 Weight: approx. 280 kg With this machine, you can mill slots for, e.g., lock cases and similar items, or produce all types of frame dowel joints at right angles, butt joints, and miter joints. Nedpfx Ageyy Rtzerswl Ideal for producing dowel joints in timber frame construction, furniture, door, window, and staircase construction, and for similar applications. The drilling unit can be pivoted on both sides up to 65° and has a detent at 0°; this allows the machine to also be used to drill handrail posts into staircase stringers. The 2 speed ranges allow drills with large diameters to be used without overheating during drilling. Due to the detents and stops and the machine's design, dowel joints can be produced in a very short time, making the machine very economical. The machine requires a compressed air connection of 6 bar (the air consumption is very low). Right-hand rotation. Mills and drills very well and cleanly. Workpiece clamping is done with 2 pneumatic clamping cylinders via a foot pedal. The linear laser at the top of the machine allows marked dowel holes and angles to be drilled quickly and accurately. Comes with a precision 12mm guide rail with a center detent and 13 detents on the left and right. Working travel in width: max. 330mm The max. borehole height is 90mm. The max. borehole depth is 200mm with stop. The max. workpiece height is 150mm. Everything functions perfectly. Comes with manual. We will personally deliver and demonstrate the machine anywhere in Germany for €220.00, so you have no risk when purchasing; delivery to Austria and other countries is also possible upon request. The machine table is 1100mm wide and 250mm deep. Professional equipment, not cheap hardware store junk. You can start working with the machine immediately. Very stable and durable construction. The precision guides with the play-free ball bearing bushings are in good condition and move smoothly; the pivoting mechanism is also very smooth due to a ball bearing; locking is possible with a locking screw.

Condition: excellent (used), TBT T30 SERIES TABLE TYPE GUN DRILLING MACHINE Model T30-1000KTN Serial number 410.364.016 Year of manufacture, approx. 1980 Number of spindles 1 Drilling range in steel 4 - 30 mm (solid) Counter boring 40 mm Nominal drilling depth 1000 mm Slotted table size 850 long x 750 wide mm Table size overall 1100 long x 1000 wide mm Table cross movement 800 mm (approx.) Table vertical movement 400 mm (approx.) Drilling slide longitudinal travel 1450 mm Slideway width 250 mm Spindle speeds to approx. 9000 rpm Spindle motor 25 kW Total load 41 kW Supplied with: 2 off Whip guides. Ballscrew feed. 2 Axis DRO to table Cross and Vertical, DRO to drill slide. Nedpjzuxp Refx Agrswl TS25-1000 Coolant tank. Drill bushes. For Sale with Jet Machinery Ltd Jet Machinery Stock No: #27033 Machine Serial Number: 410 364 016 Cost: £17,500.00 + VAT Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that the above information is accurate it is not guaranteed. We advise prospective purchasers to check any vital details. Health and Safety At Work Act 1974: It is not reasonably practical for ourselves as suppliers to ensure that for your application the goods comply with requirements of the Act with respect to guarding etc. Prospective purchasers should ensure that a guarding specialist inspect the goods prior to use.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2012, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 2170112, spindle speed (max.): 1,650 rpm, total height: 1,800 mm, total length: 4,000 mm, total width: 1,000 mm, For sale is a Kärcher ROBO 30 pipe drilling and milling machine, manufactured in 2012. Motor power: 1.85 kW Compressed air: 6 bar The ROBO 30 is designed for the quick and dimensionally accurate machining of pipes, flat material, and profiles. The self-centering clamping device allows different workpieces to be quickly and precisely clamped and machined. The machine enables angular drilling and milling operations and is particularly suitable for the production of railings, handrails, and similar structures. Nedpfxszyntpj Agrjwl Inspection is possible by appointment.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2001, travel distance X-axis: 1,300 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 800 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 800 mm, spindle speed (max.): 3,000 rpm, overall weight: 10,000 kg, Heidenhain TNC 426 control Table: 1400 x 700 mm Travel: 1300 x 800 x 800 mm Spindle: SA 50 Maximum spindle speed: 3000 rpm Nwodpszbriljfx Agrjl Weight: 10,000 kg

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1998, Technical details: height of profile: 180 mm max. dia. of grinding wheel: 200 / Topfscheibe mm grinding wheel hole diameter: k.A. grinding spindle speed: 2800 U/min Table dimensions: LxB: 500 x 160mm mm voltage: 220 / 380 V total power requirement: 3,0 kW weight of the machine ca.: 0,57 t dimension machine xH: 1,28 x 1,0 x 1,75 m Application for face grinding Magnet mount: LxW = 680 x 200mm; tilt approx. 15°; swivel 360° via radial scale magnet: Type S2D; permanent magnet, clamping surface 300 x 150mm. Grinding wheel support: -adjustment vertical = length 180mm manual; swivel = approx. 45° right/left manual. Operation via control panel on machine. Coolant tank with pump and feed Nodpeu Ngrqefx Agrowl *

Condition: new, Number of boring motors 1 St. boring of corner bearing 1=yes, 0=no 1 ja boring of olive 1=yes, 0=no 1 ja Götzinger Olive drilling machine type OBM-PLUS (corner and scissor bearing + handle olive drilling) Pos. 1 ----- Vertical drilling unit with drill head quick-change device Pneumatic feed via foot valve 1 adjustable back stop 2 swiveling workpiece supports 1 machine stand complete with shelf 220/400V, 50Hz, 1.1KW Pos. 2 ----- Drill head BKF 3, 21.5 mm pitch, quick-changeable Drill holder M 10, cyl. right/left complete with stop system 2200 mm long Total length with 10 folding stops adjusted to constant Grip size (olive drilling) Pos. 3 ----- 1 set of drills (for handle olives) consisting of: 2 dowel drills d = 10 left 1 artificial drill d = 25 (or according to your choice or manufacturer fittings) Pos. 4 ----- Drill head BKF 2/3 can be changed quickly 2/3 spindles for corner bearings drill on the loose frame part (Sigenia, Maco, Roto, Winkhaus, GU) complete with stop system with 2 folding stops Pos. 5 ----- Drill 2 cylinder head drills for corner bearings ----- Basic price in the above version Pos.1 - Pos.5 on request! ----- Special accessories with additional charge: -Folding stop per piece, EUR 110,00/piece -Stop system for central drilling, EUR 1,980.00 -chassis, EUR 920.00 Nwodpfx Agjygm Tcerjl -Roller conveyor right/left 1.5 m, 200 mm wide complete with 4 rollers each, EUR 1,940.00 -Conversion kit for PVC with steel insert Oil brake cylinder for uniform feed speed PVC support to prevent the profile from tipping over Reduction gear for low speed, EUR 1,790.00 -Drill set for PVC with steel insert, EUR 420.00 2 step drills d = 12 mm left 1 piece step drill d = 12 mm right -2 pieces of additional stops for the stop in the tilt window, EUR 180.00 -2 pieces of additional pneumatic stops for gripping the entire fighter groove, EUR 1,650.00 -2 pieces of additional pneumatic stops for gripping the dowel hole in the Fighter area complete, EUR 1,650.00 -4 additional pneumatic double stops for gripping the dowel hole in the fighter area complete, EUR 1,980.00 PS: If the dowel hole is in the middle, 1 stop on the right/left is sufficient. If the dowel hole is off center, you need 2 stops on the right/left. -Packaging 1 box Packaging 1 pallet with foil, on request ----- We will be happy to send you the price list with all options upon request. (Technical information according to manufacturer - no guarantee!)